SE:V Poll - Page 6

Fyron · #51 September 20th, 2006, 03:08 AM

StarShadow:
That was not my intention. BK already posts over there anyways.

se5a:
Shush! They will find me out! :eyes shift rapidly side to side:

StarShadow · #52 September 20th, 2006, 03:15 AM

Black_Knyght · #53 September 20th, 2006, 05:18 AM

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Imperator Fyron said:
I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill... I do honestly think the 3d shipset thing is being blown out of proportion by some people. It isn't that big of a change for most shipset authors. It has absolutely nothing to do with "leaning on anyone not completely in favor of SE5"... In fact, if you review more of my recent postings, you will see numerous complaints.

Seriously though, if you want forums that will always be devoted to SE4, you could always use SEnet:

http://www.spaceempires.net/home/forum-c3.html
http://www.spaceempires.net/home/forum-30.html

Mountain or molehill, I know what I like, and what I don't.

The "3D shipset thing" isn't what I said at all. No, I don't like the entire 3D format it went to - ships, planets, solar systems, whatever. If I'd personally been interested in that, there are much better 3D environment games I'd have gone with. And some of those "numerous complaints" are just like the ones of mine you just shot down. I was refering to, and seconding, GP's suggestion to create a SEIV section, since obviously SEV has overwhelmingly swamped the forum as it stands now.

And as to a general lean against dissenting points of view - "Seriously though, if you want forums that will always be devoted to SE4, you could always use SEnet:" is a pretty good example. That statement seems to shout "If I don't like the dominating topic here, I can just pack up and go elsewhere". And obviously that's not my point of view alone, as StarShadow's comment proves. I don't beleive the overall tone is deliberately negative, but I do see it as being there just the same.

Honestly, I think overall SEV is a long-awaited treasure for some people, and missed the marked big-time for others. And it is certainly seems to be drawing a very subtle line in the sand...

Fyron · #54 September 20th, 2006, 07:31 AM

I think there has been some serious miscommunication here.

Matryx · #55 September 20th, 2006, 10:00 AM

Calm down guys. Fyron's (And others) stance has never seemed to come across as a "like it or shut up/move on".... he runs SpaceEmpires.net and provides the SE4 forums over there (as well as others) so you can hardly try and draw the conclusion that he's trying to oust the SE4 lot - if that were the case I'd expect him to shut down those forums for a start...

A lot of people seem to be assuming others are either anti-SE5 or anti-SE4.... those who have been around long enough will know better, and those who haven't should remember that this is a very relaxed community and barring one incident about 6/7 years ago I can't think of any dramabombs I've witnessed. Sit back, take a breath, and read it all again without assumptions.

At the moment, of course SE5 (Demo) is going to be in the limelight... it's less than a week (ok, slightly more than a week) out of the door and everyone's going to have their chance to say "oooo toy" and make their observations - in a week or two when new Q/A have been dealt with, people have made up their minds, and the demo has been explored to it's fullest you should start to see conversation returning to SE4 - this is after all an SE4 and SE5 forum.

In other news, if you're feeling a lack of love for SE4 threads at the moment, start one - or stick to an existing one - popular threads will sit on top and you can just skip those you aren't interested in.

Kamog · #56 September 23rd, 2006, 02:59 PM

Well, I played the demo for a week before voting. As I spent more time playing the demo, I started to like it more and more. In the beginning, I didn't like it much because of the awkward user interface and it was hard to do the things that were easy in SEIV. But once I got used to the interface, it stopped bothering me and I liked the demo more.

But there sure are a lot of problems! There is no way all these bugs can be fixed by October 16th. Regardless, I still plan to buy the game as soon as it comes out and trust that the bugs will be fixed in patches. I'm going to buy the boxed version from the local store, not the download version.

FaultyAirlock · #57 September 23rd, 2006, 11:32 PM

I'm happy with the game as it stands, but I simply couldn't buy it in the state the demo is in... too many bugs. I'm hoping the really bad ones will be taken care of, though.

Some of the interface elements could use a change, too; when you click on a sector it really shouldn't auto-select all of them, and I'd greatly prefer the "click to select one, shift-click to toggle selection" method over the "click to toggle selection" that's currently in place... these are both pretty minor concerns though.

edit: Also, regarding a lot of the core gameplay changes... I'm pretty positive about them. A few of them actually are things I really wished were in SEIV:
- Fog of war. Space is a deep, dark place - even in a star system - and the idea of having to survey a system just seems right to me. I also like the strategic implications; no longer can you automatically detect every ship that's in the same system.
- Real-time combat. While I liked SEIV's turn-based combat, it was just too simple for my tastes... not having the ability to pre-empt enemy actions (eg. Jagged Alliance) results in a large 'gaminess' factor where you can dance out of weapon range while freely attacking.

Just my two cents.

Gandalf Parker · #58 September 24th, 2006, 02:29 PM

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Imperator Fyron said:

Seriously though, if you want forums that will always be devoted to SE4, you could always use SEnet:

http://www.spaceempires.net/home/forum-c3.html
http://www.spaceempires.net/home/forum-30.html

???
The forums that were SEIV when SEIV sold here, and has all the SEIV information archived, should be the ones that move to a new location? I have no problem with an SEV forum being created here but I dont think the SEIV conversations moving is a good idea.

And isnt that your domain? The SEIV conversations should switch to a forum where you are moderator? Altho Im sure you see no problem with that, dont be surprised if others do.

Gandalf Parker

AminMaalouf · #59 September 24th, 2006, 06:08 PM

My opinon, SE 5 should not be rushed out and only later be polished because that could hurt the sale numbers. Friends of the brand could possibly live with a product that grows with the patches as they have SE 4 in the meanwhile but the rest of the world ... .

Artaud · #60 September 24th, 2006, 06:38 PM

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FaultyAirlock said:
- Fog of war. Space is a deep, dark place - even in a star system - and the idea of having to survey a system just seems right to me.

I'd prefer limited fog of war. You enter a system and know where the planets are, but don't know exactly what their characteristics are until you fly closer.