Marignon National Summons

[Daynarr]

Plague bow works on scorpion man so I see no reason why it wouldn't work on LoD.

[Shovah32]

It is x3 vrs undead but they dont show up that often (and pythium and marignon are fairly capable of thrashing undead themselves). AoE 5 is fine but iirc its short range and fairly low ammo. Also, even if you think the harbingersd are good as troops your still left with the problem of 9 sucky angels of the heavenly choir.

[Reverend Zombie]

Shovah32 said:
It is x3 vrs undead but they dont show up that often (and pythium and marignon are fairly capable of thrashing undead themselves). AoE 5 is fine but iirc its short range and fairly low ammo. Also, even if you think the harbingersd are good as troops your still left with the problem of 9 sucky angels of the heavenly choir.

Just finished my first game with LA Marignon. I summoned the regular (leader) Harbinger, and found suckage in the fact that giving it an item in either hand slot prevents the Horn from being used. This was the same in Dom2, but having "fist" for the backup weapon once the Horn's out of ammo is lame.

[Valandil]

Why not fire x5, cast spells? Lightning bolts are fun...

[Shovah32]

Because, as ive said, the harbingers are only TROOPS, they have no magic, priestly powerers or troop leading ability.

[Nerfix]

Hmm, it indeed seems that the spell isn't worth the cost. 144 astral pearls is....a lot.

[Reverend Zombie]

Valandil said:
Why not fire x5, cast spells? Lightning bolts are fun...

For the commander Harbinger, that is a good idea. It would still be nice to be able to give them some better self-defense than "fist" in case they're attacked.

As already mentioned, it is not an option for the troop Harbingers.

Would changing the spell so that it summons the same number of Harbinger commanders (instead of the troop kind) make it worth the cost?

[Nerfix]

It could make. But something also needs to be done with the Fist Angels...

[Shovah32]

A weak flaming sword (3dmgx3 vrs undead, length 2, fire dmg) could do for the angels and commander harbingers would be great (although, as i said if you upgrade the fist angels and make harbingers commanders you might have to drop 1 harbinger). As is there is no reason to cast this spell unless you really need the seraphs magic skills.
If i had 144 astral pearls as marignon that would get me 2-3 well equipped angels of fury (rather than 1 unequipped seraph and some sucky troops).

[Nerfix]

I quite like the idea.