SE5 bad reviews and problems.

[Possum]

Yimboli, let me explain.

I've been posting here, off and on, since October of 2000, I know how the mindset works, and I've known some of these guys, on a forum level, for years.

The folks here are good people, one and all. But there is a dedication to the game that borders on fanaticism. And a level of support for Aaron that is truly impressive. These people really believe in Aaron like a holy roller believes in Jesus.

This makes them somewhat ambivalent about criticism. There is a natural tendency to leap to the defense of the game. And because I was an SE4 grognard, there is perhaps a tendency to see it as a betrayal when I criticise the game.

So that's what's up with the alleged hostility. It's not really hostility, it just seems that way. Don't let it bother you.

I commented that the interface sucked so badly, and was so click-intensive, that I'd had to break off doing the turorial because my right wrist started hurting. And you know what? I haven't played the damn thing since.

And really all I've said since then was the same thing.

It may be a great game. I'm not going to find out as long as the interface sucks as badly as it does. I can't be bothered.

capnq and I have gotten a great game of SE4 going at PBW, (which you apparently can't do with SE5).

And so my present attitude toward SE5 is summed up by Rhett's classic line to Scarlett, "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."

(edit)

Oh yeah, and I still think Aaron really stepped on his **** by going with SF. I cannot escape the nagging suspicion that SE5 would be a better game, and a better successor to SE4, had it come to fruition under the auspices of Shrapnel.

[shinigami]

I think Yimboli has a point. There has been a bit of an undercurrent of hostility towards those critical of the game. Nothing blatant or obvious, and quite frankly, I doubt if any of it is intentional. What I'd like to point out, though, is that it has gone both ways, those who have been critical of the game have treated those who aren't as if we're just a bunch of fanboys blindly supporting the game just because it is Space Empires.

Without getting into the argument of whether or not the game was released too soon, I think that we all can agree that the game could be better and that with the upcoming patches, soon will be.

[Caduceus]

Back on topic - Review from Gamespot
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/...%20empires%20V

Gave it 6.6/10

[Caduceus]

Jeku said:
Do you get upset when you see a coke can in a movie?

"Look at all the *junk food*."
- Bill Murray
"Ghostbusters"

Coke wasn't exactly thrilled with their paid spot.

EDIT - poor spelling

[Fyron]

And because I was an SE4 grognard, there is perhaps a tendency to see it as a betrayal when I criticise the game.

And what about all the criticisms coming from other oldbie SE4 grognards (including beta testers)? Though, admittedly, there probably aren't as many posted on these forums coming from the beta testers, since they've already had their say in the beta (and IRC). But I do see posts from some of them chiming in to agree with others, or add additional complaints, here and there... Why do you think the Balance Mod exists, if people are so deadened to criticism?

I commented that the interface sucked so badly, and was so click-intensive, that I'd had to break off doing the turorial because my right wrist started hurting. And you know what? I haven't played the damn thing since.

I don't play it much either, due to the playability issues (interface is just one of them). It's come a long way in the last few months, but there is still more to do. :-\

Possum said:
I cannot escape the nagging suspicion that SE5 would be a better game, and a better successor to SE4, had it come to fruition under the auspices of Shrapnel.

Neither Shrapnel nor Strategy First had anything to do with the development of SE4 or SE5 (other than hosting beta forums). Both are just publishers, not developers of the games.

[Possum]

/me laughs, shakes head, and goes to DL next turn from PBW

[Yimboli]

shinigami said:
There has been a bit of an undercurrent of hostility towards those critical of the game. Nothing blatant or obvious, and quite frankly, I doubt if any of it is intentional.

That's a good point. I wouldn't characterize any frequenters of the forum as malicious. In hindsight maybe I was just being hypersensitive. Case closed to me.

*gets over it*

Yeah how bout that 6.6? Isn't there another thread for that?

[Fyron]

There is a gamespot review thread, yes.

[Atrocities]

Never mind.

[StarShadow]

Imperator Fyron said:
1. The hostility to those of us who are not thrilled with Se5 is real. I have almost stopped posting here because of it.

Again, I don't really see it... Who is being hostile? Where?

Just a quick example:

posted by RonGianti (in the amazon reciew thread):

Frightlever - You are acting like a real piece of trash. What is up with you people? A game with a couple bugs. you and your cronies come and complain. Fine, point taken. Bugs acknowleged. Patches on the way. Heres a list of work arounds.

But wait! We didn't sympathize enough! Unless people jump on your "lets burn this place down!" band wagon, then people are being "complete dicks"? How the Hell much hand holding do you and your cronies need?

You guys aren't going to be happy until there is a petition against SE5 and the boards close, and all the games are reacalled and Malfador and the developers are out of business because your game crashes and some features aren't available yet. And then, just as AT said, you'll move on and harass someone elses game.


Hostile enough? This post is about the third or so of Ron's that is openly hostile, that I've read since SE5 came out. I've also read posts by others that were either openly hostile, dismissive, or in the vein of 'I'm tired of complaints'. It's a shame too, before SE5 this was such a welcoming community, unfortunately, it doesn't feel that way anymore.