What do I build to counter High def glamour units?

[Forrest]

Trample will save your empire.

I thought chariots were a waste till I met the glamour units. I bought the chariots as a last gasp before giving up and turned the tide.

[Saxon]

Wind guide will boost your archers accuracy, fire arrows seems more about damage. At the end of the day, I prefer Fire Arrows, but in this situation, Wind Guide may help more with glamour removal.

I also recommend Destruction or, if don’t have E3, Armor of Achilles. Bring down that protection rating, so when you do hit these guys, it hurts them more. I hate it when I finally get the glamour off most of the units and then my army breaks and runs. I found that removing the protection means that I at least get some kills in the close battles. Usually I wear down these armies in a couple of battles. Rust Mist is also an option.

Also, may I suggest looking for good independent heavy infantry? I found them a nice way to beef up the armies facing Helheim, as they can stand and fight longer, giving the spells and arrows longer to work. Also, they are often available closer to the front than my nation troops. They are not going to win you a war, but they can give you an edge in close battles.

[Teraswaerto]

Wind guide will boost your archers accuracy, fire arrows seems more about damage. At the end of the day, I prefer Fire Arrows, but in this situation, Wind Guide may help more with glamour removal.

Why not take both?

Most of the time something like half your arrows will miss, while with Wind Guide they almost all hit. It's a big boost to damage too. It also works with spells.

[PheasantPlucker]

Epaminondas said:

Hmmm.

This sounds a bit too easy. You sure there isn't a catch? I will try nonetheless.

Hehe - no catch at all, and very straightforward. I'd read the bad press that chariots, and chariot archers, had on this forum and (like Forrest) had thought them a waste before meeting the glamour boys. To my suprise, I discovered that chariot archers can be absolutely lethal.

I soon had armies consisting of nothing but chariot archers shooting, and then trampling, over the AI's glamour armies using Hold-and-Attack orders.

Those chariot tramplers seem tailor made to deal with any high quality foot soldiers. They ignored both defence and glamour attributes, took almost no losses, and were good fun to watch as well.

[Endoperez]

Trample doesn't ignore defence, but they deal 1 point of damage even if the defence roll is successful.

Another fun fact about Chariot Archers:
When scripted to Hold & Attack Rearmost, they first Fire Rear (usually unscriptable), then Attack Rear, going OVER enemy read guard that'd stop normal cavalry. They might still get confused about where they were supposed to go, though.

[calmon]

and like i wrote in the other thread Chariot Archers have 2 Lifes. So after taking 10 hits only the archer dies and the chariot still exists with another 10 life. After the battle the chariot is completly repaired. This and good defence/protection values makes them very useful.

[Agrajag]

I wonder if a holy trampling unit will get extra affliction chance from death bless on its trample attacks.

[Nerfix]

Agrajag said:
I wonder if a holy trampling unit will get extra affliction chance from death bless on its trample attacks.

Holy trampling unit. *shifty eye movements*

[Shovah32]

Can you say w9d9 holy trampler?

[Endoperez]

Nerfix said:
Holy trampling unit. *shifty eye movements*

Yes, like a Jotun Jarl with Boots of Behemoth. Or an Oracle of Subterranean Waters with Stymphalian Wings.