forge of the ancients stack with dwarven hammer?

[General_Jah]

I'm trying to figure out if its worth it for me to buy my pretenders earth skill up high enough to make the forge. Do you know if it stacks with the dwarven hammer or is the forge basically just like a dwarven hammer for anyone who forges?

Thanks

[Evilhomer]

It stacks

[lch]

You can get the smith bonus to 100% and then everything only takes 1 gem instead of xx gems to forge for gems from a specific magic path.

[PvK]

Can you do that without modding?

[Taqwus]

A four-armed forger with Hammer of the Forge Lord and Hammer of the Cyclops might work.

[Wish]

yeah, actually a 4-armer with (in order) dwarven hammer, hammer of forge lord, dwarven hammer would have the bonus from all 3 (i think the 'like items stacking if theres another item inbetween' is a bug though)

if you can find a province with a banefire forge and a steel oven you'd get the bonuses from them as well.

also forge of the ancients does more than just make everything cheaper, it also increases each forgers effective magic levels by 1 for forging purposes. (so if you have an earth of 4, you can forge things that take earth 5 - like the aegis) -- in dom2 this added a level 1 path for every path your mage didn't have... but in dom3 it only effects paths they have.

[DrPraetorious]

Okay, this is not correct. It doesn't stack, it multiplies, and it rounds down at each step with a minimum of 1.

IIRC - The bonus from forge of the ancients is applied first, then the construction bonus of any sites, and then the forge bonus of the unit. I should doublecheck this.

So, for example, if you have forge+hammer (as I often do) the cost for a 25 gem item is 9 gems.

That's (25 * 0.5 = 12) * 0.75 = 9.

[Wish]

ok, I ran a test where i had a nataraja with the hammer of the forge lord, and a dwarven hammer, forge of the ancients, and a steel oven.

the gate stone costs 6 earth and 6 astral to forge given these conditions (normally 65 and 65)

(dwarven hammers don't stack with something in between... so i was wrong there)

[lch]

I am pretty sure that I equipped a master smith with a hammer of the forge lord and had forge of the ancients up in a test game (25+50+25 = 100 forge bonus) and I had only to pay 1 gem per color when forging. It wouldn't take much to test if my memory serves me correct here with a Wish mod.

[calmon]

I'm sure it doesn't stack in the way that 25+50+25=100. Try out to forge a high casting cost item like wizard ring and it will cost more than 1 gem.