The scale bug is caused by province neighbors - Page 3

Lord_Bob · #21 November 29th, 2007, 12:35 PM

Very convincing testing and answer.

As far as I can tell, you have run down 2 seperate bugs.

The Scale Bug and "Ghost Connections" to provinces all over the map.

IndyPendant · #22 November 29th, 2007, 02:43 PM

Heh. Wow. I go away for less than a day and it's (practically) all done! Very cool.

Tip my hat to vfb and Lord_Bob for tracking this down. I got the ball rolling by being able to reliably reproduce the scale bug--but there's no way in *hell* I would have been able to figure out what vfb just did!

(Heck, the first time I read his post I was going "Uh, what? Invisible neighbours? Is this a spoof on all the sudden excitement about the scalebug, like that spoof of the Scorched Earth thread a while back?" *reads on* "Nope, it's serious. Wow, that's...bizarre..." : )

Congratulations!

Edratman · #23 November 29th, 2007, 03:01 PM

I refuse to accept your modesty vfb. I concur with Sir_Dr_D and acknowledge your genius .

I think you might even be eligible for a HOF promotion up to "VFB".

I'll still send my 9 province map tonight.

Edratman · #24 November 29th, 2007, 06:57 PM

Here are the files.

Edratman · #25 November 29th, 2007, 07:12 PM

Oops. Couldn't send all three files at once I just found out. Here is the MAP file.

Morkilus · #26 November 29th, 2007, 07:12 PM

Wow, the people on this board are hardcore. No wonder I never win my games!

Edratman · #27 November 29th, 2007, 07:13 PM

Here is the save file

vfb · #28 November 29th, 2007, 07:28 PM

Thanks! I started the game on this map and immediately lost all my good scales. So I made a stealth prophet and sent her to province #7 (159) to preach. Province 159 did not have friendly dominion. As soon as I got one candle in #159, all my order (and some productivity and growth) came back in the capital. Two turns later and the scales were back at full strength.

Edit: I started a new game because I didn't have the save. I'll have a look at that now.

Lord_Bob · #29 November 29th, 2007, 07:46 PM

The Monkey King will erect a massive statue of vfb made from astral pearls!

Really, I think your thread should be stickied!

Sticky this thread!

vfb · #30 November 29th, 2007, 08:10 PM

Edratman, I looked at your save game. You had positive dom in 159 and 113. Probably the high initial dom set up in the map caused early spread. So, I killed your prophet, researched const6, and sent a bunch of stone idols to province 159 (neighbor #7, the trigger province) and province 113 (neighbor #1, the leech province). Dom hit zero first in 159, but I didn't see much of a scales change, since there's only one possible scales decrease for neighbor #7. When Dom hit zero in 113, all the positive scales vanished in the capital.

I then removed the idols from 159 and parked them in 113. Scales then started to recover in the capital. It took about 5 turns for them to get back to full strength, but they did recover and stay there.

Thanks for posting the test case!