Has luck been accidentally nerfed...

[Zeldor]

I haven't noticed anything like that. But I still get way too many bad events with Luck 3...

[Twan]

Edit: unless there is now too many positive events that are restricted to a specific nation.

May the way restrictions work makes events in general rarer for some nations (ie : when a restricted event is rolled it counts in the max number of event per turn even if not hapening for this nation ?) ? I find really strange to regularly have less than 3 events a turn with more than 20 provinces in my luck 3 / turmoil 2 dominion.

[Kristoffer O]

> when a restricted event is rolled it counts in the max number of event per turn even if not hapening for this nation ?

No, more like: check event - impossible - check event - impossible - ... - give up after 1000 rolls.

[LDiCesare]

Do you mean when a good event is rolled, if it is nation specific, it's discarded and not replaced? If it still counts against the limit of events per nation per turn, it could explain things.

[Endoperez]

Test 1, more to come:
EDIT: This was done in Silent Seas, and by giving both nations some starting provinces.

Code:

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dom 6 order 3 prod 1 magic 1

MA Man     turn 1     turn 10     turn 20      turn 30

treasury    400         7400       16000        24000

income      820         813        900          900  

upkeep       18         18         18           18   

gems         0          1          1            1    



notes                 

got 1 free temple before turn 10





dom 6 luck 3 prod 1 magic 1

MA Ulm     turn 1     turn 10     turn 20      turn 30

treasury    400         6900       15000        25000

income      700         700        780          444  

upkeep       14         36         62           80   

gems         0          20         41           89   



notes                 

Sometime between turns 20 and 30, Bogus attacked Ulm's capital. 

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[Endoperez]

Test 2, more to come:
EDIT: This was done in Orania, by giving all nations 9 starting provinces.

Code:

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dom 6 Luck 3

MA Arcos   turn 1     turn 10     turn 20      turn 30

treasury    400         9800       21000        30000

income      1080        1040       950          780  

upkeep       58         58         120          137  

gems         0          12         22           42   



notes                 

Had just 6 provinces in the end. One rebellion, one vampire

 attack, not sure what the last one did. No plagues in the

 capital, income lost was due to province loss.

Had received Whip of Command (constr 4) by turn 20.





dom 6 Order 3

MA Mari    turn 1     turn 10     turn 20      turn 30

treasury    400         9600       20000        31000

income      1000        1065       1088         1144 

upkeep      14          14         14           14   

gems         0          0          0            5    



dom 6 Order 3 Luck 1 

MA Agartha turn 1     turn 10     turn 20      turn 30

treasury    400         12000      24000        36000

income      1230        1190       1280         1322 

upkeep       18         18         18           18   

gems         0          0          0            5    



Notes:

Started with more farmlands, and an arena site (+25 gp). 

If the terrain gave +200 gp/turn, it would've netted 6000 gp by turn 30. 



dom 6 Luck 3 Misfortune 1

MA Pangaea turn 1     turn 10     turn 20      turn 30

treasury    400         9700       20000        33000

income      1050        926        1037         996  

upkeep       24         35         72           116  

gems         0          15         37           82   



Notes:

Had just 8 provinces in the end. I spied troglodytes and 

militia in one province; if that was the province lost it 

would've been The Deepest Cave event and +1 earth/turn 

sometime between turns 20 and 30.

Had received Fire Brand  (constr 4) by turn 20, and Moon Blade (Constr 6) 

by turn 30.

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[Zeldor]

Endoperez:

I guess you should make a custom map with equal provinces... and you forgot about Order 3 Luck 3. Also dominion spread is important...

[vfb]

What were Pan's scales? Luck 3 Turmoil 1?

I dunno about the trogs, you can get them without the deepest cave, especially with turmoil scales.

[Endoperez]

Final test, I won't bother writing everything out.

Late Age
Arcos, Order 3 Misf 2 Magic 3:
turn 1: 400, +961/turn
turn 30: 27k, +920/turn, 7 gems

Man, Order 3 Luck 3 Drain 3
turn 1: 400, +959/turn
turn 30: 30k, +1064/turn, 55 gems
got Ice Sword (constr 0), Blood Stone (constr 4)

Tien Chi, Order 3 Growth 2 Misfortune 2 Magic 1
turn 1: 400, +1200/turn
turn 30: 38k, +1400/turn, 19 gems
note how much initial placement matters

Agartha, Or 1 Death 1 Luck 3 Magic 1
turn 1: 400, +900/turn
turn 30: 26k, +890/turn, 96 gems
got Owl Quill, Ring of Fire (both constr 2), again note how much initial placement matters



I did notice that during the first ten or so turns, the scales didn't seem to matter as much. I think if there's something wrong, it's just due to the scale spread bug screwing with the result.

[Zeldor]

I think you would need to test thousands of turns to make it useful. In one game with Order 3 Luck 3 I got treelord's staff, 2 clams, few more items, also vampire count, barbarians. All in less than 30 turns.