Time for a poll. (The subject is abuse)

Tuidjy · #1 March 27th, 2008, 04:32 PM

Lately there have been quite a few threads about what's abuse and what isn't.
Here are some that I think are the worst. Note that I do not consider all of
them abuse, but I have never used them against a player in multiplayer, mostly
to avoid bad feelings or gaining a bad reputation.

I am really curious what people think.

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Jazzepi · #2 March 27th, 2008, 05:09 PM

Out of all of the billions of polls recently this is the only one I've been interested in. Danke for posting it.

Jazzepi

Tuidjy · #3 March 27th, 2008, 05:10 PM

Damn. I forgot so many things that people consider abuse. Bogus's orders,
moving slow troops quickly, sallying into a neighboring province...

Rathar · #4 March 27th, 2008, 05:19 PM

Man this subject both stuffed sand in and twisted your panties. I've noticed you raving in at least 5 threads now.

While a topic worthy of discussion it's not worth frothing about. Heck people are quitting the game in Capuchin over this backlash. Relax dude, really.

You got my votes though!

Cerlin · #5 March 27th, 2008, 05:25 PM

I think it is an issue. I mean if things like this make people not want to play anymore, and shrink the community, that is bad.
At the same time this poll shows how split people are on some of these things. So I mean, lets talk!

I did not vote yes for all these being exploits, some like VoTD I really dont mind and think its fine. Others like mists of decept. + enchant + run would really be annoying. And hacking yourself orders you wouldnt normally have is obviously taking huge advantage.

Twan · #6 March 27th, 2008, 05:32 PM

I only answered no for the sickle thing, as fighting somewhere "without risk" doesn't exist in dominions (especially if you have to rely on a ally to provide you things to kill, he knows where is your SC and an artefact which means even more risk).

Xietor · #7 March 27th, 2008, 05:52 PM

I thought we had settled these issues in another thread. But to recap:

1. After much debate, in games hosted by velusion, myself, and maybe Llamabeast(cannot recall), if you cast a battlefield spell that causes damage, you cannot retreat the caster until the very last scripted turn(5 turns).

2. In games hosted by Velusion, Llamaserver, and me, you cannot copy orders to attack mage from bogus' friends to other units.

3. I see no issue with the sickle. If an ally lets you kill his troops, he recognizes he is aiding you and he will eventually have to kill you. Also, if a spy witnesses this,
someone could get a nasty surprise.

4. Vengeance of the dead-not abuse. if your sc has killed a lot of people, your best defense is high mr to resist the spell. Mind hunt kills you instantly if you fail the mr check, at least vod gives you a fighting chance.

5. Twice Born on Demons-not abuse. It costs 10d gems and if that is how you wish to spend 10d gems, that is your business. K did this to me in the Big game, and I had no problem dealing with it.

6. Filling lab with slave collars-abuse. And this is common sense.

kasnavada · #8 March 27th, 2008, 06:03 PM

Things on the bug list : the answer is obvious : abuse.

Filling lab with collar ? Abuse, obviously too.

Vengeance of the dead does not work as intended by the game mechanics (the attackers don't die when they lost) -> abuse.

Xietor · #9 March 27th, 2008, 06:11 PM

It does not matter if vod is working as intended or not, casting it is not abuse. It is a valid spell.

And it is only effective against sc's that have killed many units. So if you have such an sc, provide him with mr gear and the problem is solved. If your sc does not have mr gear, he will likely die to a mind hunt anyway-or some other spell.

Actually anyone who lets their sc's run amok with low mr has got it coming anyway.

Kid: "I guess they had it coming"
Clint Eastwood: "We all have it coming kid"

thejeff · #10 March 27th, 2008, 06:17 PM

The problem with "Things on the bug list : abuse"
is that makes the game almost unplayable.
If you have to avoid anything on the bug list, then some strategies are tricky to avoid.

Do you have to carefully arrange your communion slaves so the masters come first and the slaves can't cast? That's on the bug list.

Most things on the list are bad for the user? Should they be considered abuse too?

Units with the wrong weapons or armor? Some better, some worse. Recruiting any is abuse?

Etc, etc.

Much better just to ban the few egregious problems that can be easily avoided. And if people want to play a game to exploit the Mists bug and send each other tons of slave collars? Have fun. I won't be in it.