Time for a poll. (The subject is abuse)

[Kuritza]

See, this is exactly why I don't like overzealous hot topics like this. How is Wrathful skies combined with shock immunity unbalanced or a bug? It's quite an obvious combo, and can be achieved with any caster and a ring of tamed lightning.

You dont get it. Its not shock immunity combined with wrathful skies. Its AQ combined with a mage scripted to cast WS and retreat. See? Now there's just a very hard to kill SC on the battlefield, and no way to end Wrathful Skies.
Now if it was AQ herself who has cast the spell, she'd get lots of fatique and probably die. Had the mage stayed, well, there's a fat chance you'd get him too. But with AQ and a retreating mage its a win-win, unless your enemy gets a lucky soulslay or something. Too cheap.

[Foodstamp]

Maybe I am inherently evil. All of this stuff sounds like strategy to me.

[Kuritza]

Maybe you just use all this stuff yourself against more maneered players, and thus enjoy it.

[triqui]

Kuritza said:
But with AQ and a retreating mage its a win-win, unless your enemy gets a lucky soulslay or something. Too cheap.

Then the problem is retreating mages and staying battlefields. The AQ has nothign to do with it, the problem is that the WS *should* end when the mage leaves, as it is mentioned in the bug shortlist.

[triqui]

Foodstamp said:
Maybe I am inherently evil. All of this stuff sounds like strategy to me.

Moving 3 provinces your movement 1 troops through "move+patrol" bug is "strategy" for you?

[thejeff]

Yeah, I've got nothing against AQ and Wrathful Skies.
The retreating mage is a bit tacky, because the spell is supposed to end when he leaves.

Bottom line, you can either kill the AQ or not. If you can, you lose more troops from Wrath, if not you'd lose anyway.
Sure it's harder, but not impossible. You're not going to kill a kitted out AQ with chaff troops anyway and if you're up against an AQ and other high end Air mages your thugs, mages and SC killers better have shock resistance.

MoD is practically impossible to stop once the mage retreats. That's the difference.

[Foodstamp]

Maybe you just use all this stuff yourself against more maneered players, and thus enjoy it.

Your assumption might be correct except the fact I have never used any of these tactics against the AI or other players.

Moving 3 provinces your movement 1 troops through "move+patrol" bug is "strategy" for you?

My apologies, my poll options must be filtered because I did not see that one listed. Looks like a bug to me, and I would think it would be decided by the host/players if there would be repercussions for using it.

[triqui]

Foodstamp said:
My apologies, my poll options must be filtered because I did not see that one listed. Looks like a bug to me, and I would think it would be decided by the host/players if there would be repercussions for using it.

It's not in the poll, but it is mentioned in the thread later (as Bogus, or sneaking out of a siege with non-sneaking troops for example) I thought you were talking about the whole thread, not about the poll.


However, if you are only talking about the poll, i have to ask then if editing the 2h file is strategy for you

[Kuritza]

thejeff said:
Bottom line, you can either kill the AQ or not. If you can, you lose more troops from Wrath, if not you'd lose anyway.

Imagine that you had mages who'd eventually get AQ. With skies, they just died before they managed to penetrate her MR. And you're not guaranteed to have air indies to forge rings of tamed lightning for everyone, nor to have a trade partned who'll equip your mages.

[Foodstamp]

I can't be bothered to read this entire thread because I wouldn't get a refund for the time lost being your shoulder to cry on .

As far as your "edit to argue" goes, if you have read the whole thread, you know my position on that.