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		Those nomads seem pretty superhuman. Stronger, tougher, more endurance, faster, more skilled, better magic res,.. not by much it's true but still, they're flat out better than your usual dom3 humans. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		hmm are they faster, maybe that should be lower and I didn't know I did anything with endurance 
what are the normal stats for those 2
 
for the rest well.. barbs are stronger too and morale is lower   
They have to be stronger .. they only get low grade material, they live in the desert, they are no pampered city inhabiting dogs    
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		Normal human enc is 3. 
 
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		would you consider the nomads as they are way to strong? aren't the barbs stronger too?  
 
basicly: do you think they are too strong even considering the things why I made them a bit stronger? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		I don't know about their balance. That's a matter of context. 
 
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		well as I said above, I consider them between "regular" city folk and barbarians context wise. I don't really have a clue about every stat in the game (but I do you that excellent spreadsheat so not I'll look it up.) 
I'll give them AP 13, keep enc on 2 (as barbs) HP and strength are between regular humans and barbs as I wanted 
the morale is lower (as barb) and MR is higher just cus I want it that way in this nation. (MA could even be lower again as genie influence wanes
 
PS I found THE perfect sprite for nomad wazirs: wind master sprites seem to wear exactly what the marid wazir wears    blueisch too which fits their astral magic thingie
 
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		The roc is atm without rider, it is a great eagle on which I edited the color a bit (more reddish) the stats are the same, they seem to fit a large bird. 
 
but.. how much gc should such a thingie be, it can't trample and has less HP, strength and prot than most elephants but higher MR and ATT/def... elephants are mostly strong through trample so considering the birdie dont have that I made them 50 gc now..  
 
balanced enough? 
 
PS why would you ever summon a great eagle for 3 air gems and wasting a mage turn (I seem to recall that is their price) 
 
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		Since a lot of the good modders seem to look in here now and then I have another question: can you arrange in which order the troops appear on the recruit bar? 
 
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		Yes; it's the order in which you list #addreccom and #addrecunit. Any units available from sites are always added last, though, so if the Roc isn't site-spesific and even one of the sacreds is, you can't do it. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		ah so cap only units are always last.. 
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