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		How do you dare calling me troll just for having made a widely recognizeable joke about a funny thing happened here in the forum.  
Boy, if you are full of yourself with all your big words and quotations, at least don't start seeing enemies everywhere. 
I don't know you and I would never have tried to offend what you say in such a cheap way. Learn some respect, and some auto-irony. You attacked Jim Morrison for what was clearly a joke and now me. You are not untouchable by irony, man, nobody is. 
 
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See? Measures and countermeasures. And I this is what I love this game for: one player can launch plan A, then second player can respond with plan B, etc. But with bugged VotD there's simply no plan B, and thats exactly what I find so upsetting.  
 
			
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 I still don't see what's wrong with putting The Ark on your SC, aside from the obvious fact that there's only one of it. The Ark will kill unlimited numbers of zombies AFAIK, so even if you fail your MR check against VotD it does nothing except maybe make you waste some gems in battle.
 
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		What's wrong, Max, is that obviously if you disagree with Kuritza, you haven't actually read his posts, or you would have already stopped trying to coddle him with reason and logic 
 
Kuritza - I read every damned word, and my comprehension is excellent, thank you.  Nothing anyone can say will appease you, because you got extraordinarily unlucky ONCE. 
 
The most change I would think that VoTD needs, is to make it require astral travel by the mage, to actually "lead" the spirits to the offending leader.  This way, they risk having their cord cut just as if they performed a Mind Hunt.  But again, I don't really think even that is necessary. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		>> How do you dare calling me troll just for having made a widely recognizeable joke about a funny thing happened here in the forum.  
Yes, yes, I've seen this joke turn an attempt of Bandar Log discussion into 'Haha its all monkey PD, dont listen to this crap'. I show respect when I see it, shall we respect each other perhaps? Lets stop the 'how dare you' thingie for starters, and be civil. Sorry for the 'troll' line.
 
Max - that a great idea, if a little bit tricky around turn 20.   
Jim, I point that people dont read my posts when they dont. I was explaining about F9/A9 Ermor and a Caelum pretender, a few posts later you tell me 'Was it his pretender? So, you're mad that his pretender cast a spell that killed your pretender?' Doesnt look like you 'read every damned word'. Please, read what I say if we are to discuss anything. And I really like your idea.  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		Ah, then. Around turn 20, MR should do fine. 150 pearls to spam VotD through MR is a huge investment at that point. 
 
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		6 pearls, Max, just 6.    And it happens much more often that it might seem. Just a few days ago I had my 31 MR ghost king paralyzed by three illithids spamming mind blast. 
 
The difference is, I knew that illithids are supposed to spam mind blast and that I open my GK to a huge risk. I took that risk voluntarily, I could opt to avoid them instead. Illithids dont come after you shaking tentacles and frying your brain when you cower in fear in your capitol, doing research and forging items. Zombies do.    
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		How can you reliably kill an MR 27 thug with VotD and 6 pearls? That's just a fluke. I'm not sure if 150 is the right number, but it's way more than 6. 
 
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		Has anyone run tests on the MR part of this? I believe the MR roll for Mind Hunt Soul slays is easier than for battlefield soul slays. Is there a chance VotD works the same way? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		Well, its not that reliable... Happened to me, though I admit I was unlucky. It also happened to me when I didnt knew VotD is bugged. Imagine my surprise. 
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