OT: Bible Discussion (Split from Real World Sensitivities) - Page 12

HoneyBadger · #**111** September 28th, 2008, 05:10 PM

Aliens showing up, asking me to do silly things, doesn't seem like sound philosophical basis to live one's life by.

And-instead of AIDS-what if you discovered a cure for homosexuality? Would you freely inject it into any gay people who crossed your path, whether or not they were content to be gay?

Tifone · #**112** September 28th, 2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JimMorrison

Worship is money, my friend.

Better, my friend. Worship is POWER. Absolute power on people, for being the voice of the absolute truth, which can "give" absolute joy if obeyed and absolute torment if not. What is money compared to this?

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Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

And-instead of AIDS-what if you discovered a cure for homosexuality?

You know it isn't a disease at all, ya? It's like saying, a cure for being... tall or... brown haired

Bwaha · #**113** September 28th, 2008, 06:08 PM

HB, I don't have an axe to grind about homosexuals. And if I had a cure I would share it only with those who wanted it. That is if you considered it a sickness which I don't.

That being said, I love all of you! That is why I care. I promise you that I will never utter hate speach on this or any other forum. If I ever come off harsh, it is that I lack the skills to communicate at the level that you all are used to. This is changing as I continue to speak with you. So please cut me a little slack.

I will continue to love you regardless of whatever you say. So peace bro.

HoneyBadger · #**114** September 28th, 2008, 06:16 PM

That's what I'm saying-having another belief system is a state of being, it's not a disease, you aren't necessarily helping someone by inflicting your point of view on them, without them asking for it, anymore than you're helping someone by giving them a "cure" for being tall, or having brown hair.

And no matter how great you think your point of view is, that's still *all* it is, and it's not going to work for everybody, no matter how hard you pray about it.

Bwaha · #**115** September 28th, 2008, 06:31 PM

Okay, I understand your point of view, please try to understand mine. I must share, I have to. I wish to continue, but if you require me to be silent, I will stop. Its up to you the community to decide, and I will abide by it.

HoneyBadger · #**116** September 28th, 2008, 07:09 PM

You're free to share, that's not the point. Everyone here is here out of choice. The point that I take objection to is the point where you share your views with a starving person, in return for food for them and their children, in the understanding that if they want you to keep feeding them, they'd better come around to your way of thinking. If you want to "share" with somebody, and they willingly put themselves in a position to be exposed to that, then that's fine-and freedom of speech gives you the constitutional right to "share" even with that starving person, and I respect that right, and defend your ability to invoke it--but don't ask that I believe it to be the action or the will of a benevolent god.

Bwaha · #**117** September 28th, 2008, 07:20 PM

Huh? I don't get the context. I'm not a member of a church, when I give I do it secretly so no one knows who did it. Are you talking about soup kitchens? I've been to a church that did what you said, preaching to them for about an hour then feeding them. This I find to be detestable. Its all about pride. Anyway I would like to talk about cosmology and the bible. Is that a safe subject?

HoneyBadger · #**118** September 28th, 2008, 08:43 PM

Oh absolutely.

Bwaha · #**119** September 29th, 2008, 11:49 PM

I will start tomorrow. I'm too tired to start now.

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Bwaha · #**120** September 30th, 2008, 01:54 PM

Okay, I'm ready to start. First let me say that these thoughts are mine and not any church doctrine. None of these thoughts are "gospel truth" or anything like that. I just wish to exchange thoughts. I wish that reason and logic will prevail in this discussion.

Lets start out granting that there are dimensions that are outside of normal perception. That being said lets continue, I posit that "god" is outside of the time stream. My perception of this is that "god" or the creator of all is holding the strands of the universe like a "cats cradle". I beleve that the folks with him are also outside of our here and now. There's some passages that indicate that this is the case, but I don't want to clutter this up with a bunch of bible qoutes. I will await your comments at this point.