OT: US Pres election

[Atrocities]

Originally Posted by JimMorrison

Are you serious....? What fairy tale world do you live in where we are assured that our public servants are capable, just because they landed in office?

Yes I am serious and frankly I don't enjoy the tone of your comment in that it comes across as condescending to me because I support McCain and Palin. You do not have that right to talk down to me and I would expect that you would elect to reign in your sarcasm and think twice about how you speak to people in the future.

While a great amount of lead way is given in any heated discussion, when tongue in cheek comments are intended, it is best to validate them with sincere humor to avoid the propriety of condescendence.

If you can listen to her speak for 5 minutes, and not see the glaring problem, then I am not sure you will be able to overcome your bias while talking to a third party. Of course, I have felt the same way about our good ol' GW for a long time now, but somehow a whopping 18% of us actually still think he's doing a fine job.

I ask you to enlighten me as to what you believe the "glaring problem is." Are you mistaking her humble likability as weakness? Are you assuming that because she isn't a rude, obnoxious, blow hard, elitist, media vetted, Washington insider that she is somehow weak, pathetic, stupid, or unqualified?

I don't see her as a weak uneducated women with no qualifications to lead our nation as you apparently do, what I see is a women who is comfortable in her shoes. Oh sure a bit lacking in awareness of current issues both domestically as well as abroad, but again, thats not a weakness its simply that she hasn't been a Washington insider over the last few years.

I do not look down upon her because Tina Fey can carry off a good parody, a parody being the key phrase here, over a bad interview with Katty Couric. All politicians have their moments with the media that are then used against them time and time again. I do not believe Sarah Palin to be some dumb country bumpkin because of the way she talks, how her voice sounds, how she looks, how she acts, or how she answered Katty's questions. To do so is to be bias.

I honestly believe that the dislike for her comes from fear that she is weak because she doesn't sound like the other people from Washington DC. Look at how well those sorry a**ed elected officials have ran things over the last two years and then think to yourself about what defines real qualifications. The Democrats have had the power to make real change now for two years and they have done nothing. In fact they hold the lowest approval rating of any congress since the formation of our nation. If those people are the people to whom you are using as a yard stick to measure Sarah Palin's abilities and qualifications, then I would submit to you that perhaps you should consider a change.

Speaking of change, when Obama speaks about change, he does so as if he owns the word without having any real understanding of what change really means. He comes from the Chicago political machine, the good old boys factory, and he plays dirty politics with the best of em. His phrase, "change" along with his tactics are text book Che Guevara communism. So what does real change really mean when it comes from Senator Obama if his inspiration and indeed his entire campaign effort was rooted from socialism and backed by the hard core dirty tactic using Chicago political machine? It means that Obama doesn't represent change, he represents radical change. A radical change that would fundamentally and negatively alter our perception of who we are as nation. While Obama himself cannot affect major change, he coupled with the liberal democrats in congress could quite literally change the very fabric of our constitutional society. And that is something that cannot be aloud to happen for all of our sakes.

The liberal agenda is already known, no expression of religion, no gun rights, no conservative talk radio, no Fox News, more taxes, higher taxes, more restrictions on where we can go through oppressive environmental regulations. Forget about driving your car, assuming you could afford fuel, you wouldn't be able to pay the new taxes imposed upon its use.

It amazes me that liberals will shout from on high about the rights of people who's phone calls might be monitored as part of an ongoing anti-terrorism program, but say nothing about the fact that every single email that they have ever sent or received is achieved by their email provider. Where were the liberal rights advocates when Sarah Palin's email account was hacked? Had Obama's or even Biden's email accounts been hacked by the son of a republican state representative, holly hell would have been raised. But again, since it happened to Palin, nothing.

I say that this anti-Palin rhetoric is because it is okay to trash Palin since she is viewed by the media as being something of a Dan Quayle for which, in all reality, she is not.

McCain won't win in November and while I strongly disagree with Senator Obama's political ideology, I will support him, aside from his anti-military, anti-gun rights, and unacceptable tax increase initiatives. And come Nov 2012 I will look to the Republican party to put forth a real challenger and vote freedom and nation first in the hopes that we will defeat him and his democratic cohorts and then restore the rights and privileges lost to us during his reign as Czar.

If I am as you say, bias, then that is a welcome labeling that I will wear proudly.

[Skirmisher]

One thing is certain, every politician lies.

I was actually hoping that Huckabee would win over McLame.

[JimMorrison]

Okay, Atrocities, your tirade makes it apparent that you haven't read the rest of the thread, including my previous posts.

And anyway, my quote from you had nothing to do with Palin specifically. You made the assertion that somehow Palin's election to Governor, was proof positive of her abilities. I was exasperated that anyone could claim that by sheer virtue of holding an office, someone is magically gifted with the ability to perform well.

Personally, I think Palin is in WAY over their head as a Governor, and has no business in the White House at all - in an official capacity.

And come Nov 2012 I will look to the Republican party to put forth a real challenger and vote freedom and nation first in the hopes that we will defeat him and his democratic cohorts and then restore the rights and privileges lost to us during his reign as Czar.

You have got to be kidding me, seriously. Rights and privileges? Like the right to not be covertly surveyed without a warrant? The right to due legal process? The right to travel on the same continent without being treated like a criminal? The right to earn enough money to even HAVE a quality of life? The right to not have your government co-opted by corporate interests, in a burgeoning police state?

Yeah. I should vote Republican too, the party of civil liberties, and fiscal sensibility.


(PS- I love our two party system where any yahoo can walk into this thread and see me bash Palin, and automatically think that I am in love with Obama. Might read the part where I'm not a Democrat, you fuzzy and likable person.)

[Atrocities]

Now JimMorrison, where in my post did I make the assertion or accusation that you were either Democrat or an Obama supporter?

And anyway, my quote from you had nothing to do with Palin specifically. You made the assertion that somehow Palin's election to Governor, was proof positive of her abilities. I was exasperated that anyone could claim that by sheer virtue of holding an office, someone is magically gifted with the ability to perform well.

I made the connection because I was speaking about Palin and it was pretty clear that your comment was meant to be condescending. I am not an idiot so please don't attempt to play me for one.

Personally, I think Palin is in WAY over their head as a Governor, and has no business in the White House at all - in an official capacity.

I again ask you to explain, if you will, why you believe this. Its your opinion, so put some effort into it and explain it. Do you believe that she is under qualified to be a Governor because she is a women, or perhaps because she has a down to earth way of talking? Does your pernicious opinion of her have anything to do with how the liberal bias media has been treating her and her reputation? Do you believe that she is somehow lacking in the intelligence department because she doesn't speak like those oh so unsuccessful politicians from Washington DC? I just want to know the reasoning behind your opinion. Is there a reason or is it simply that you dislike her because you believe everyone else does? Its your opinion, please explain it.

You have got to be kidding me, seriously. Rights and privileges?

I was, when commenting about rights and privileges, referring to the second amendment.

Like the right to not be covertly surveyed without a warrant? The right to due legal process?

I am no fan of the Patriot Act and fear that has the potential to be horribly abused. If you dislike someones point of view, and you're in the white house, you could simply invoke the Patriot Act and charge that person to whom you disagree with as being a domestic terrorist and have them shipped off to God only knows where. Bush, to the best of my knowledge, hasn't abused the Patriot act domestically and I would demand proof from you if you say that he has. And please, not far left propaganda, actual concrete physical proof.

[quote]The right to travel on the same continent without being treated like a criminal? The right to earn enough money to even HAVE a quality of life? [/quote[

Now its my turn to say really.

The only examples that I can find of people being treated like criminals for traveling on "the same continent" are the arrests of drug traffickers, illegal aliens, known felons, and those involved in criminal activities. Of course these people should have the right to travel wherever they want without being treated like criminals even though by most laws they are. But that might depend upon what you mean by traveling on the same continent..

As to the earning money aspect of your above comment, unless you are referring to criminals or illegal aliens not having the right to earn enough money to even have a quality of life, I cannot find any instances of anyone being barred or prohibited from working and earning a wage.

The right to not have your government co-opted by corporate interests, in a burgeoning police state?

A police state. If you honestly believe that we are now living in a burgeoning police state just wait until after Obama takes office. Under his administration you will see some of the most restrictive anti-freedom laws take affect from attacks on the first and second amendment, to limiting your mobility through higher taxes on vehicles, fuel, licenses, and so on. You are only as free as the distance you can afford to travel.

You are right, I haven't read every single post in this thread, I am working my way through it through, so I don't know everything there is to know about what you or others have said. You see it takes time to get up to speed when there is so much to go through. But rest assured I will work my way through it, kinda like Sarah Palin is now doing with Washington DC politics. So if I make a gaff, step on someones toes or unintentionally get a fact or two wrong, I offer up a preemptive apology.

[JimMorrison]

You not only walked into this thread completely belligerent, but you are purposefully obtuse, and now I am quite convinced that you are just pushing my buttons so that you can point your finger at me when this thread devolves even further.

I'm just glad that the people who think like you, are in fact a shrinking minority, while awareness and rational thought are becoming more and more popular these days.

I honestly can't believe you think I dislike Palin for being a woman. So glad I'm not your psychoanalyst.....

[Bwaha]

I'm truly saddened that the media has fanned the fires of hatred. Those of us who are Americans should be able to debate freely without being hated. I think we need to fire the news anchors that are trying to demonize the other side. Also we need to fire all politicians who have served a term. To be in politics successfully you have to have a machine and money behind you. This means they control the politicians actions. This must stop before we lose our fine nation. Bwaha

[Azselendor]

Don't you just love political rhetoric

[Atrocities]

Originally Posted by JimMorrison

You not only walked into this thread completely belligerent, but you are purposefully obtuse, and now I am quite convinced that you are just pushing my buttons so that you can point your finger at me when this thread devolves even further.

This isn't about you. There are two types of people in this world, those who do for others, and those who do for themselves. You fall into the latter category since you believe that this whole discussion is all about you.

I needn't remind you that it was you who responded to my posts in a condescending tone that did little more than identify you as a hot headed, ill informed, fatuous with poor impulse control.

I am merely expressing my opinion within an open discussion on a topic of interest. If you feel pressured by my questions than please don't respond to my posts with pernicious type comments and expect to get away free and clear without challenge.

As to the thread devolving any further, I think you should stop trying to play the victim and review your own incendiary comments before you try and float the asinine accusation that my comments are somehow devolving this thread.

I'm just glad that the people who think like you, are in fact a shrinking minority, while awareness and rational thought are becoming more and more popular these days.

I honestly can't believe you think I dislike Palin for being a woman. So glad I'm not your psychoanalyst.....

The one constant in the universe is that when liberals are faced with an opposing point of view, in most cases the that being the truth, they, instead of participating in an open discussion, choose to attack those who express differing opinions. Now you can say that you are not a liberal, but your words and actions say otherwise.

And for the record, I never stated that "I" thought that you dislike Sarah Palin because she is a women. I left it up to you to say for yourself.

Given the tone of your comments and the lack of a meaningful response, I am left to wonder if you possess the basic discussion skill set of an educated individual to express ones motives behind ones opinion in an articulate and meaningful manor. I am therefore going to do you a favor. I am going to tell you why it is that some people believe that Sarah Palin is under qualified to be the Veep let alone the President.

According to those educated individuals who chose to state specifically why it is that they feel Sarah Palin is not qualified to be commander and chief is because she lacks a command presence.

You should, with your limited tunnel vision, be able to take it from their. And in the future I suggest that you keep your elitist inspired condescending tone in check.

[Gandalf Parker]

I think that the democrats need to un-republican the country abit so I really want to vote that way.

But I must admit that I really like some of the sexy pictures of Palin. Particularly the swim suit video when she was competing in the beauty contest. (yeah I know, not good reasoning. But its not much worse than some Ive seen here)

[Atrocities]

I just want to see someone elected to office who really cares about the people first and foremost. Someone who won't erode our constitutional rights, anger our allies, lie to us, or rather pass a lie to us. A leader who, like Harry Truman, Teddy Roosevelt, or JFK, has character and takes the heat when it gets hot and comes out on top putting the nation and our way of life first. It doesn't matter to me if the person is rep dem or indy, a man or a women, or what race they are. I just want what we had before it was taken from us before its completely gone for good. My last blog kinda spells out how I feel.

PS, Jim, I am not trying to push any ones buttons. I played it a bit hot in my last post, a bit of tit for tat so to speak, but really all I originally intended was to state my point of view and explain my motives for my opinions. If that got under your skin and pushed your buttons, it wasn't my intention.