I lost? - Page 2

llamabeast · #11 October 14th, 2008, 05:54 PM

I don't think that's really true Gandalf. Certainly using mismatched mods or game versions can reliably produce the bug. But the bug does occur in the absence of such explanatory factors.

Zeldor · #12 October 14th, 2008, 05:55 PM

It just happens, it may be 0,1% of battles as we notice it only when it happens, not when battle replay is right. But results can be drastically different. Llamabeast has not some data from llamaserver about that bug, so there is a chance it will be fixed.

Iron Duke · #13 October 14th, 2008, 06:29 PM

I cannot begin to tell you how much that sucked. My best troops, some good mages along with cannon fodder, fighting a risky and tiresome battle and emerging victorious, only to vanish afterwards and leave the field to the banners of Ulm. Meh, I guess it happens

cthulhu · #14 October 14th, 2008, 09:46 PM

In large single player games I see it happen a few times per game, in small single player games, maybe once every 5 games (large = 20 AIs, 10-15 provinces per player, small = 4 AIs, 5-7 provinces per player). I probably only notice it when the battle report is bad enough to make me wonder what went wrong - I don't watch all battles.

chrispedersen · #15 October 14th, 2008, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Endoperez

See these two threads:
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=40804
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=40845

For some reason, there has been lots of discussion about this recently. Has it really become this common? I hope not.

Any way, since most of the questions you might want to ask are probably answered in those two threads, I suggest reading them. Here's what I wrote about the bug in one of them.

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The fights are calculated once while the new turn is hosted, and the results of that fight are used for determining which units died, who controls the province etc. The fights you see are replays of that fight, using the same random seed (i.e. all the random rolls will come up in the same order as in the original fight). If, for any reason, there's a calculation in a wrong place, the replay doesn't turn out as it should. There have been many problems that caused this, and they've been fixed when they've been identified.

The only example I can remember right now is that in DomII, the comparison used to determine who wins a Magic Duel (random roll A + astral level A vs random roll B + astral level B) was handled differently in Linux and Windows distributions (Windows: first A, then B; Linux: first B, then A). When the random roll was high enough to change the result, the battle went differently from that point onwards. It didn't matter as long as the hosting and playing happened on the same operating system, which caused even more confusion.

As you can see, it is difficult to find the exact bug that causes the symptom in your case.

Has happened to me 2x in the last week.

Epaminondas · #16 October 14th, 2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by llamabeast

I don't think that's really true Gandalf. Certainly using mismatched mods or game versions can reliably produce the bug. But the bug does occur in the absence of such explanatory factors.

Yes, I've encountered this bug, and I've never played MP.

Lingchih · #17 October 14th, 2008, 10:01 PM

I have still never seen this bug (luckily). But I know from the many reports that it does indeed exist.

Jazzepi · #18 October 14th, 2008, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Gandalf Parker

Often this is from a mismatch between the versions of the player and the host. We almost never see it from a solo player

Definitely not true. I've gotten this bug three times, and it's never been that.

Jazzepi

Reay · #19 October 15th, 2008, 01:20 AM

Yes I have noticed this bug recently too. In Fallacy I had it happen at least 3 times and that is only when I noticed my Thugs/SC's or important mages missing after an apparent victory. It was definitely not an OS or version mismatch in these cases.

Iron Duke · #20 October 17th, 2008, 01:32 PM

Ehm, sorry for bringing this up, but there's something seriously out of track here, because after the interesting demise of my army I renewed the assault on the same province two turns later, again their army is routed, battlefield only belongs to me, yet my attack seems to have failed. My alive troops somehow count as dead, and I see ulm boars in the province that defeated my attack, but there weren't any in the combat. Either I'm doing something terribly wrong, or something's amiss in the game. There's a single battle report on that province, not another. I've watched the battle 3 times(again) every one of them is the same, me defeating ulm(yet again) but the province somehow doesn't want my rulership.

I'd appreciate any help, because it's getting so frustrating for me.