OT: US President (US Dom Players only) - Page 24

Tichy · #**231** November 5th, 2008, 03:42 PM

I just wonder what all the political satirists and late night comedians are going to do for the next few months, Tifone.

Oh, wait. Oh, crap. Two and a half months of "lame duck" jokes coming right up. Sigh. Wake me in January.

Tifone · #**232** November 5th, 2008, 04:32 PM

Hey, Bush has 77 days left to do his worst

Maybe he can declare some random war, or take some civil right away from you guys... (Damn, hope he's not reading or he may take those as suggestions

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On a just marginally related topic, damn, that prop8 has passed, I couldn't believe it

HoneyBadger · #**233** November 5th, 2008, 05:05 PM

Obama is President. Let me repeat: Barack Obama *is* President of these United States. Ok, that's a fact.

We've just suffered through 8 horrendous years of bad, stupid, and unconscionable leadership under a man-child not competent to run a 7-11 well. That, and all the disasters and embarassments occurred, in part, because many citizens of these United States chose to focus on things which had nothing whatsoever to do with the President's actual leadership ability.

The question of whether or not Barack Obama is a citizen of the U.S. was answered by his opponent, who was also of dubious citizenship. They cancelled each other out. We can now all feel free to let this one go. It really does *not* matter, and I'm sorry for you if you honestly think it does.

Mccain lost, Obama won. By an enormous landslide. If you want someone to blame for that, blame George W Bush--he's the primary reason Mccain did so poorly against the first black man ever to be elected President in this country. George W Bush forever denied the infallability of rich, white, Christian, European-Americans. If there are any racists out there, George W is basically your very own Benedict Arnold. He lost it for you, and the world has forever changed.

So now that we're past all that, can we please focus on important issues, like the energy crisis, the environment, the economy, stem-cell research, world-relations, education, National health-care, and poverty in this and other countries? Seriously, if you can't focus on these, or something of similar importance, then again I feel sorry for you, and please get out of the way of our conversation and our country, because you're just being a nuisance and a distraction.

I'm not singling any one person out, or pointing any fingers, because this is maybe a message that we all need to hear:

There's a lot of important work to be done, and if you can't manage to force yourself to be a part of the solution, then please don't make the problem bigger with your irrelevancies.

licker · #**234** November 5th, 2008, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

The question of whether or not Barack Obama is a citizen of the U.S. was answered by his opponent, who was also of dubious citizenship. They cancelled each other out. We can now all feel free to let this one go. It really does *not* matter, and I'm sorry for you if you honestly think it does.

Running the risk of mentioning something irrelevant...

But, in no way does McCains 'dubious' status (and I use ''s because McCain's birth conditions are not dubious in the least) impact Obamas.

Two wrongs don't make a right afterall.

Anyway, I'm sorry if you think the laws of the United States of America should only matter when you feel like they should, I guess you may have more in common with Bush than you probably imagined.

All that said, I don't dispute that Obama is a natural American citizen, but I think its a prefectly fair question to put towards ANYONE who is running for president, and a trivial one to be answered CLEARLY, which is why some people no doubt find it odd that Obama never did answer the question beyond all shadow of doubt.

HoneyBadger · #**235** November 5th, 2008, 05:31 PM

I'm pretty sure it's beyond all shadow of a doubt. If there's really anything to this at all, then I'll be amazed and shocked.

It's just a meaningless gripe, is the problem. Can anyone honestly suppose that if Obama really wasn't a citizen of the U.S., that it wouldn't be a debate, it would be a certainty? Every journalist in America would *love* the exclusive rights to that story. They'd kill for it. It's nothing more than a silly conspiracy theory--exactly the kind that we love in this country. The fact that Mccain's citizenship was also questioned just makes it even less valid, and much more petty.

Yes, I do think that the President of the U.S. should be a citizen of the United States. I absolutely do, so that answers that question. I just don't for one minute believe that Barack Obama *isn't* one.
I don't even waste my time wondering. I-infact-rely on the legal system of this country to present to me such questions, and to deal with them in a timely, efficient fashion.

Do you have any real, actual, physical proof that he's not? If so, please forward it to the Washington Post or the NY Times. I'm sure I'll hear about it eventually. Why you waited a whole entire year to present your incontrovertible evidence is beyond me.

In the meantime, there are real, serious problems that need to be solved.

HoneyBadger · #**236** November 5th, 2008, 05:43 PM

By the way, Barack Obama was, as far as I know, born in Hawaii, which is an actual state. Mccain was born in Panama, which is not a part of the United States. The fact-again, as far as I know-that he was born in a sovereign state of the U.S., is-honestly-good enough for me. If you can prove that he was born somewhere else, then please keep me posted. Being born on U.S. soil does it for me--which is why I consider Mccain to be a valid Presidential candidate (and I personally consider him to be a fine human being, and a great American, just so you know where I stand. My mom likes him too.), and Arnold Schwartzenegger not to be.

Gandalf Parker · #**237** November 5th, 2008, 05:56 PM

Does anyone really believe that he could not have gotten this far without the CIA or someone checking his background?

HoneyBadger · #**238** November 5th, 2008, 05:59 PM

Well, people believe in a lot of things. Often very strongly. That doesn't make them so...

licker · #**239** November 5th, 2008, 06:01 PM

I never challenged Obamas birth status, only pointed out that your logic about McCain having a dubious birth status has nothing to do with anyone elses status.

I find it odd that Obama didn't squash this story more completely, and instead released documents which were questionable (again I'm not questioning them, just observing that they are being questioned). It should be a completely trivial exercise (as it was for McCain, both parents US citizens, born at a military base, ...), yet apparently it is not.

Why? Who knows, but the fringers in the US will take any story and try to give it wheels, hell listen to Alex Jones sometime if you want an appreciation into just how insane some people actually are.

Tichy · #**240** November 5th, 2008, 06:06 PM

HoneyBadger -- the sticking point is that to be president one must be a natural citizen (born here) and not naturalized. Schwarzeneggar was born in Austria and became a citizen later in life, so he cannot be president, though he can be a governor, senator, etc. That's what that whole lawsuit was about. The claims vary between he wasn't born in Hawai'i, or that he was born in Hawai'i pre-statehood.

Both claims are hooey, and so now the combatants are reduced to complaining that they dismissed the original bogus suit on grounds that the complainant lacked the standing to bring it, instead of going to trial and demonstrating its bogosity.

I think this debate has entered the hallowed ranks of ridiculousness previously reserved for howling about Monkey PD.