OOB 15 ANZAC – Ford Dingo

[TDR]

In the ANZAC OOB, spob15, you have listed the Ford Dingo. It is listed as a being available from 6/42 to 12/49.

This is for:
Unit #115 Ford Dingo - Scout Vehicle and
Unit #149 Ford Dingo - FO Vehicle

I was under strong impressions it was withdrawn from service well before 1949 as it was replaced by the Canadian Lynx, not the UK Dingo.

From the Australian War Memorial:
“The 'Car, Scout (Aust) Dingo' arose out of a requirement in early 1941 to equip the Australian Army with a scout car which was locally built as procurement from overseas allies was unlikely during the early stages of the Second World War. The design incorporated commercially available components together with a locally produced all-welded Australian Bullet Proof (ABP) 3 armour plated hull. A total of 245 vehicles were built between late 1941 and early 1943 when production ceased due to the unsatisfactory performance of the vehicle. Futher modifications and development was halted in favour of imported Lynx Scout Cars from Canada. The Dingo Scout Car served mainly with the Australian armoured divisions as a training vehicle. It had a crew of 2, carried a Wireless Set No.19 Mark 2 and was armed with a Bren Light Machine Gun.”

This link suggest it was out of service by end of year 1944
http://www.mheaust.com.au/Aust/Research/Austanks.htm


On a slightly different point but with the same vehicle:
The Icon for Unit 149 would reflect the vehicle, Ford Dingo, quite well.
The Icon for Unit 115 seems to reflect a vehicle closer to that of the Canadian Lynx or UK Dingo.
Is it a small possibility that the icon for Unit 115 got mixed up a bit?

Just thought the Ford Dingo should have an availability from 6/42 to 12/43 and also Unit 115 should have the vehicle icon as used for unit 149.

[thatguy96]

Two things. I think the name might be getting confused. The Ford Lynx is a copy of the Damlier Dingo. The Australian Dingo scout car is totally different from these. Secondly the game stops 12/46. I believe it used to go out further, but units with extended dates were left that way because it has no effect on how the game registers their availability.

[TDR]

Well not either of these 2 things.

1. The current end date is trivial due to the game ending in 1946.
Simply the Ford Dingo, (Aust made AC) ends service about 43. That is what I was saying, ie not at game end which it is at present.

2. In both units, #115 and #149 the picture is of the Australian Ford Dingo not the Daimler Dingo or the Canadian Lynx.

3. Also add to that Unit 149 has a cost of 76 and has the correct vehicle icon. Unit 115 has a cost of 16 and has the vehicle icon of a Lynx or the Daimler Dingo. This is also the cost of the Daimler Dingo in the British OOB7, Unit 115.

To add one other question what would the Australian Ford Dingo be more expensive that the British Dingo / Canadian Lynx?
If it was as good it would not have run out of service.

So one or both need a bit of correction.

[thatguy96]

Originally Posted by TDR

2. In both units, #115 and #149 the picture is of the Australian Ford Dingo not the Daimler Dingo or the Canadian Lynx.

Doesn't necessarily mean that there wasn't a mixup when the OOB was created. If the person read one and saw another than they could easily have put the right picture and icon onto the wrong entry. Especially since one of them even has the icon of the Daimler Dingo/Ford Lynx. In fact, the stats for Unit 115 in the British OOB (Daimler Dingo) and that in the Australian OOB (Ford Dingo) are identical with the exception of start date and radio code.

Originally Posted by TDR

To add one other question what would the Australian Ford Dingo be more expensive that the British Dingo / Canadian Lynx?

Cost of unit 115 is identical in both British and Australian OOBs (16), adding to my belief that they're meant to be the same. Unit 115 in the Canadian OOB is less (14), because of the weapon and armor differences. The other units are FO vehicles and have increased points based on their spotting ability.

Oddly the Lynx FO (77) is more expensive than the Dingo FO in either the British (75) or Australian OOBs (76). The Dingo AOP in the British OOB (also unit 149) has lower armor stats than the standard Dingo. The Canadian one (still unit 149) has even lower stats, but 2 extra crew, and the same low armor stats as the basic Canadian Lynx. The one in the Australian OOB is in fact the only one with Daimler Dingo armor stats for both.

[Mobhack]

Originally Posted by TDR

Well not either of these 2 things.

1. The current end date is trivial due to the game ending in 1946.
Simply the Ford Dingo, (Aust made AC) ends service about 43. That is what I was saying, ie not at game end which it is at present.

2. In both units, #115 and #149 the picture is of the Australian Ford Dingo not the Daimler Dingo or the Canadian Lynx.

3. Also add to that Unit 149 has a cost of 76 and has the correct vehicle icon. Unit 115 has a cost of 16 and has the vehicle icon of a Lynx or the Daimler Dingo. This is also the cost of the Daimler Dingo in the British OOB7, Unit 115.

To add one other question what would the Australian Ford Dingo be more expensive that the British Dingo / Canadian Lynx?
If it was as good it would not have run out of service.

So one or both need a bit of correction.

Unit #115 Ford Dingo - Scout Vehicle and
Unit #149 Ford Dingo - FO Vehicle

FO vehicle. So it acts as a FOO. Therefore it pays the extra points for having FOO abilities.

(Dates etc. will need to be looked at in the update for next year - as the current 3.5 update is being processed for release right now.)

Cheers
Andy

[TDR]

Andy, Thanks.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by TDR

In the ANZAC OOB, spob15, you have listed the Ford Dingo. It is listed as a being available from 6/42 to 12/49.

This is for:
Unit #115 Ford Dingo - Scout Vehicle and
Unit #149 Ford Dingo - FO Vehicle

I was under strong impressions it was withdrawn from service well before 1949 as it was replaced by the Canadian Lynx, not the UK Dingo.

From the Australian War Memorial:
“The 'Car, Scout (Aust) Dingo' arose out of a requirement in early 1941 to equip the Australian Army with a scout car which was locally built as procurement from overseas allies was unlikely during the early stages of the Second World War. The design incorporated commercially available components together with a locally produced all-welded Australian Bullet Proof (ABP) 3 armour plated hull. A total of 245 vehicles were built between late 1941 and early 1943 when production ceased due to the unsatisfactory performance of the vehicle. Futher modifications and development was halted in favour of imported Lynx Scout Cars from Canada. The Dingo Scout Car served mainly with the Australian armoured divisions as a training vehicle. It had a crew of 2, carried a Wireless Set No.19 Mark 2 and was armed with a Bren Light Machine Gun.”

This link suggest it was out of service by end of year 1944
http://www.mheaust.com.au/Aust/Research/Austanks.htm


On a slightly different point but with the same vehicle:
The Icon for Unit 149 would reflect the vehicle, Ford Dingo, quite well.
The Icon for Unit 115 seems to reflect a vehicle closer to that of the Canadian Lynx or UK Dingo.
Is it a small possibility that the icon for Unit 115 got mixed up a bit?

Just thought the Ford Dingo should have an availability from 6/42 to 12/43 and also Unit 115 should have the vehicle icon as used for unit 149.

It was you who mentioned the Ford Dingo on the first place over two years ago and it's been in that OOB since V2 was release in March 2007.

Yes, the Icon is wrong for unit 115. The icon for 149 was specifically put into the game to represent the Ford Dingo and nothing else so yes, that's the one it should be. I apologize for missing this, along with everyone else it seems, for 21 months. Had this report come in a day earlier it would have been fixed but it didn't so change Unit #115 to Icon number 3248.

As for out of service date you provide conflicting data. On one hand we have 12/43 and on the other another source says...... " out of service by end of year 1944". The truth is probably somewhere in between and it seems the vehicle only saw extremely limited service in any event so 6/44 works for me.

So the Canadian Lynx replaced this ? Great. When ? Let's get that sorted out now.

Don

[TDR]

I will see what I can extract from the RAAC museum, though at this time of year things run slowly.

[TDR]

All I have got so far is in the zipped PDF attachement.
I have not as yet got a reply from the RAAC Museum.

Note there are 2 main types of Ford Armoured/Scout Car.

[TDR]

Originally Posted by DRG

It was you who mentioned the Ford Dingo on the first place over two years ago and it's been in that OOB since V2 was release in March 2007.

Yes, the Icon is wrong for unit 115. The icon for 149 was specifically put into the game to represent the Ford Dingo and nothing else so yes, that's the one it should be. I apologize for missing this, along with everyone else it seems, for 21 months. Had this report come in a day earlier it would have been fixed but it didn't so change Unit #115 to Icon number 3248.

As for out of service date you provide conflicting data. On one hand we have 12/43 and on the other another source says...... " out of service by end of year 1944". The truth is probably somewhere in between and it seems the vehicle only saw extremely limited service in any event so 6/44 works for me.

So the Canadian Lynx replaced this ? Great. When ? Let's get that sorted out now.

Don

Don,
It may have been 2 years ago.
I have just started on a new project and in building a Table of Equipment and Structures reference, I was using your ANZAC OOB as a cross reference for dates as it tends be reasonably accurate. It was then I noticed this issue.

I was not nor intending to point at people for errors. It would appear we all missed it for one reason or another. Further as most of my games are jungle this is not a vehicle I would use. None of these Armoured or Scout Cars left Australia.