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January 30th, 2010, 01:48 AM
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Don,
Will try this one more time! Again all cross referenced with notes as needed.
1. Russia/BPM-97/2000/C2 P10/12.7mm or 30mm w/BMP-8 Sim. Turret/
http://www.military-today.com/apc/bpm_97.htm
Though used for Border Units I believe it plays a role in Recon now but this info isn't solid. Your call here.
2. China/QL550/2006/C3 P6/12.7mm/
http://www.military-today.com/apc/ql_550.htm and
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/hta...spx?comments=Y
These represent much improved units (IU) over their predecessors
(In WinSPMBT)or are new.
3. Germany,Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic and Luxembourg (For source continuity.)/DINGO 2/2007/C4 P4 or 7/Remote 7.62mm, 12.7mm or 40mmGL/IU/
http://www.military-today.com/apc/dingo_2.htm
and http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product1280.html
4. Switzerland, Denmark & Germany/MOWAG DURO IIIP/2007/C2 P10/Remote 7.62mm or 40mmAGL/IU/
http://www.military-today.com/apc/mowag_duro_iiip.htm
5. China/VN-3/2008/C3 P2 (Scouts)/12.7mm or 14.5mm pictured/
http://www.military-today.com/apc/vn3.htm and
http://www.strategycenter.net/resear...pub_detail.asp
6. England/MASTIFF 2/2009/C2 P6/7.62mm and Remote 12.7mm or 40mmGMG/IU/
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mastiff-2/
7. USA/M-ATV/2009/C4 P1 (Gunner)/12.7mm/
http://www.military-today.com/apc/oshkosh_matv.htm and
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/oshkosh-mrap/
Went to post and edit to prevent being timed out again. Pictures on next post sorry for inconvenience.
Regards,
Pat
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January 30th, 2010, 02:41 AM
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Re: MRAPs and a couple of general questions.
Don,
Pictures for post #51, again sorry for the inconvenience. Will be departing 31 Jan for some R&R and will be back on 10 Feb. to check both MRAP and APC threads should you have any issues with info submitted. Please if not to inconvienant let me know what the "drop dead" date is if something comes up.
Pics:
1. 2. 3.
4. 5.
Many thanks again, pics 6 and 7 on next post.
Regards,
Pat
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January 30th, 2010, 03:12 AM
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Re: MRAPs and a couple of general questions.
Don,
Last two!
6. and 7.
Again thanks for your patience and the opportunity to do this. The slopes are calling and the skis can't wait! And I have some reading to catch up on. Someone will know this "set" I'm reading now and say not bad for a "Yank", "You ask, What is our aim? I can answer in one word: Victory - victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror; victory, however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival." For now a wise man who should've been listened too.
Good Night to you and all and have a great weekend!
With Regards,
Pat
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January 30th, 2010, 08:20 AM
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Re: MRAPs and a couple of general questions.
I haven't had a chance to look at any of this yet and probably won't for a week or two . It's all in my files though. IDK how much will get in but I'm aiming for as much as possible but I put the DURO IIIP into all three natons last week based on another report and the Mastiff's been in the game now for three years so chances are a lot of this will end up , or already has made it, to the game
Don
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January 31st, 2010, 02:56 AM
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Re: MRAPs and a couple of general questions.
Don,
No problem, understand about the work load. Just glad to be able to contribute to a small degree. Have to "hit the rack" as we have an early start and looks like weather to contend with later today. If you have any issues I'll be back by time you get to these anyway if any require further research etc.
Good Night!
Pat
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March 6th, 2010, 01:30 AM
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Re: MRAPs and a couple of general questions.
BAE Systems unveils the RG OUTRIDER at the AUSA 2010 Winter show. This is the follow on vehicle to the successful RG-32M Series. Developed for first response and extreme off road requirements.
Source:
http://www.defense-update.com/produc..._26022010.html
Pic from source:
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Pat
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March 14th, 2010, 02:22 AM
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Re: MRAPs and a couple of general questions.
Since things have been quiet around here lately I think due to "pre-patch release syndrome" and a general lack of updates in the areas I'm following, I thought I would provide the following article concerning the future role of the MRAP as the Iraqi theater of operations winds down. I hope for those who read it you'll find it as interesting as I did.
http://www.defense-update.com/featur..._26022010.html
The AI awaits me as my Japanese forces get ready for a "special battle" against the Russians in a meeting engagement or in AI speak prepare to be met by a large assaulting force! Take Care and have a GREAT weekend! And for those who celebrate it, a HAPPY ST. PADDYS DAY!!
Sometimes you just gotta love them icons.
Regards,
Pat
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April 16th, 2010, 10:48 PM
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Re: MRAPs and a couple of general questions.
As predicted the M-ATV will replace the HUMEVEE for in theatre military ops in Afghanistan. But as this article the HUMEVEE has reached it order limits but all will be modernised as they become available from current operations.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/articl...p?forumID=1662
See post #51 for more info on the M-ATV.
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Pat
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April 17th, 2010, 01:19 AM
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Re: MRAPs and a couple of general questions.
Not all HMMWVs, all Up-Armored HMMWVs. This is an important distinction. This was the USMC plan with the original MRAPs and it didn't last long. It will be interesting to see if this actually comes to pass.
Modernized and recapitalized are also not the same. It amounts to overhauling them to a degree to which they have essentially "0 miles" on them. They'll still be the same models. The program initially took various subvariants no longer in widespread usage and upgraded them to a common standard.
The US military, and the Army in particular, doesn't really have a clear strategy yet for exactly how its going to integrate the MRAPs into the various wheeled vehicle upgrade programs its been working on for twenty years now. The M-ATV program really overlaps a lot with the JLTV program. There was some concern about whether the abortive MRAP II program was to have supplanted that requirement as well. It seems that the people running the JLTV have managed to keep it sufficiently separate to keep it funded for the time being. The Army has also expressed an interest in the HMMWV ECV 2 series as an interim step between the ECV series and whatever comes after the HMMWV.
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