MP: EA Oceans of Land - (Noob game) [running]

[Euarchus]

Can I have Caelum please?

[Yskonyn]

The thing with nations is quite difficult, chaps. On the one hand you don't want to ban too many nations, but on the other hand you want a game that stays running past 40 turns also.
So the banlist might not be what you would expect that does not mean things will work out that way too. Like Grudge said; veteran players are screened first and might not be allowed to play a certain nation, while a noob IS allowed to play that nation.
The banlist is merely a list of nations that NEITHER players are allowed to pick. And yes, Mictlan was an oversight.

The thing with stealth is that we currently banned all nations depending highly on stealth afaik and that includes TNN eventhough it might not be that powerful. This is for the sake of avoiding any arguments about stealth ("eventhough he has TNN -a weaker nation-, he STILL has stealth!"). See? The other side of the medal. That's what I wanted to avoid.

Wether to include CBM or not is up for debate still as far as I am concerned, David and Goliath was also played with Worthy Heroes and vanilla.
The ongoing discussion is wether you want noobs to play with vanilla first (and maybe a few small mods which don't alter gameplay too much) or get them into playing with the big often used mods right away.
I am in the 'go vanilla first' camp myself as I think you should first know how a game plays at its core to be able to understand what a mod has altered exactly. Reading a readme.txt or a changelog doesn't really help if you never saw it hands-on. But, like I said, this is up for debate and will always be. If the general wish for this game is to include CBM once we have players enlisted, we'll go CBM enabled.

EDIT Euarchus, welcome! You have been added to the list.

[Quitti]

Well, just to weigh in my opinion - while stealth can be leveraged as a tool, it's not too good to warrant a banning of a nation. I realize that this is your game, and you make the rules, but ea van and tnn are quite weak nations. Helheim can be slightly more powerful due all the death magic you can get access to with national mages. I can see why such early game rush powers (especially since this is vanilla and not CBM game) such as mictlan, hinnom and niefelheim would be banned from the game.

I'd also like to inquire what "aggressive play style" for a vet means - it's considered quite normal to attack a weak(er) neighbor(s) to gain lands, gold&gem income and more land. I know that vets can do this much more efficiently and counter this much more efficiently than newbies/intermediate players, but the problem lies in that if you don't do that, you (usually) lose the game. Turtling might work for a few nations, but it'll almost always detriment your long-term game. Some nations are easier to deal in early/midgame with other nations, and they grow in power the later the game goes - eg. Kailasa and T'ien Ch'i and quite a few MA/LA nations which are not relevant here, as this is an EA game.

[13lackGu4rd]

well, ok, can't say I didn't expect Mictlan to be banned under these settings, but I saw it wasn't so I tried... but if you've banned stealth nations I'm surprised you left Pangaea out of the ban list, being perhaps the primary stealth nation out there...

also I've overlooked this being played on vanilla as opposed to CBM. if this remains vanilla than I'll take Kailasa instead of Mictlan, if CBM than Sauromatia(not on the ban list) instead. and of course of you do allow Mictlan after all than I'll have it.

[Swan]

if 13lack gets sauromatia i would like the dying yet proud nation of agartha

if 13lack will not get sauramatia i would like the raptor riding ladies of sauramatia

[Frozen Lama]

Thank you GB. like i said, its your game, play it how you want. i was just curious

[Dark Kitty]

I would like to play as Lanka please (or Yomi if Lanka was to be banned for some reason)

[Septimius Severus]

Good to a see noob friendly game.

I agree with you Yskonyn on reasoning of vanilla for noobs. You can't appreciate the benefits or drawbacks of more drastic mods that make a multitude of changes to the game like CBM and others unless you first understand how the game is intended to play out of the box.

[SciencePro]

I would like to join as abysia please. I'm not exactly a noob but i'm hardly a vet either. I am happy to be helpful and non-aggressive.

I would vote in favor of CBM for noobs or anybody. As a noob you are still learning the game and its annoying to learn things one way then have it change all of the sudden when you play a CBM game later. Also, in vanilla, people can stockpile clams or blood stones or something which really distorts the endgame.

[Swan]

About the CBM vs vanilla: i would say lets play vanilla, i think we need to try how vanilla is in MP before using CBM. also the clam piling is doable but he best clammer, oceania, is banned.
Still i would play even if CBM is on