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April 18th, 2022, 01:41 AM
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Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
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I'm probably in the minority on this one, but I always thought the T-14 as a BS project. It never felt real, more like a model, a plastic toy for something which doesn't exist. |
How so? I understand from an economic viewpoint that there there may be a lack of means to mass produce the vehicle. From a technical standpoint, T-14 appears on paper to be formidable while also promoting crew survivability via an evolved auto-loader mentality. (aka, now the entire turret is unmanned, saving manpower needs). [insert autoloader meme here...  . ]
The modular concept I found intriguing, esp the IFV variant though whether that is economically viable was a first counter-thought. Obviously if they can't produce enough MBT versions, thats a problem. |
How so? They were supposed to have 100s or even thousands (I don't remember) by early 2020s. That was almost a decade ago and before the current war and everything that came with it. Do they have even 100? I seriously doubt they have even double digit tanks of this type.
I was supposed to be married with kids and a well paid job by the time I hit 30. 50% later and I am single, no kids, no job and ready to be homeless. Dreams and plans are fun, but when life hits you or you make bad choices, the results speak of themselves.
Where are the "armata"? Nowhere. And it's not like they are building them as we speak. Before current economic sunctions.
I have no doubt it will be used as an excuse, by some, but I seriously doubt we would have T-14 tanks in the next 10 years. Talking about numbers, not prototypes.
Second and far less important, It looks fake. I am talking about pure looks. It looks like something it was designed in haste to protect their jobs if not their lives. Then tried to cover the lie and failed.
Yes hypothetically it's an interesting tank. Realistically it's at best a project many years away from a real product.
IMO of course.
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April 18th, 2022, 03:09 AM
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Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
No. Serial production towards that was supposed to happen this year, but it hasn't even begun ( T-14). Let me see if I can still "paste" the article I just put in the MBT Thread ...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...out&li=BBnbfcL
Never should've detoured to here, just should've kept going!! 
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April 18th, 2022, 06:26 AM
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Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
The one thing from the very beginning that struck me as unusual regarding the T-14 was its size which was a radical departure from accepted Russian design and primarily not just the length but it's height
It's why I always thought it would be intended to be used more in an overwatch/support capacity for the T-90s rather than something meant to lead the way. It would be a hard target to miss
While seaching for the images above I found this and could not resist
add 2022 Ukraine to that
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April 18th, 2022, 05:55 PM
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Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
Apparently, it has begun. CNN and Ukrainian officials have reported just a short time ago, that the Battle for Donbas has started.
Apparently, Russia has moved 10 Battalions into the area.
If true, so it begins.
Putin has publicly declared he wants a resolution by 9 May in time for " Victory Day" celebrations.
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April 18th, 2022, 06:46 PM
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Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
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Apparently, it has begun. CNN and Ukrainian officials have reported just a short time ago, that the Battle for Donbas has started.
Apparently, Russia has moved 10 Battalions into the area.
If true, so it begins.
Putin has publicly declared he wants a resolution by 9 May in time for " Victory Day" celebrations.
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Dunno why, but I got reminded of Operation Primavera ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_spring_offensive). The Ukrainians will be lucky if they have their own hill 731 by the end of this.
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Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
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April 19th, 2022, 04:46 AM
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Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
I wish I could help them.
I don't anyone to die on either side, but at the same time I hope for the Russians to leave their remains there as they fail to gain anything.
It's too bad the Ukrainians don't have the forces to attack towards the south now that the Russians are focused to Donbas.
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Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
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April 20th, 2022, 06:41 PM
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Re: Updates in light of Ukraine war
Yes, I added those this morning before shutting down new items
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