MOD: Pangaea standard theme wth. usable Satyrs

[Arralen]

My mod is aimed at re-balancing the units already available - I don't want to take some out, change pics or even add some more. (Keep it simple, stupid )

Maenad
onomastikon:
I also liked the way you toned down some of the Manead's stats, but not her morale. I sort of missed her as a crazy careless freak. ... and the maneads could retain just a bit more of what they were.

Actually, I tried to make them even crazier freaks: gave them berserk-3 instead of berserk-1. Turned down the other values to prevent them getting too strong. Thought they should be realitvly easy to turn away when no beserking, so I cut down moral even more.

Didn't work out like intended. Looks like they have to pass a morale check to go berserk .. what they'll never do with such low morale. So I'll changed morale back to it's original value in the next Version.


Satyrs
Zen:
I like having the 2 Prot, but since Pangaea gets easy access to Protection/Mass Protection it doesn't really reflect anything but the initial turns.
Perhaps you can give the basic Satyrs "Furs" for armor. Thus making them slightly more competetive for some sort of use late in the game.

Actually, I have given the shielded variant Furs already, check it out.
Wasn't shure if the Satyrs wouldn't be too strong if I gave furs to all of them, or which costs to choose - Furs are somewhere in between leather cuirass (3/0/0), leather hauberk (4/0/0) and full leath. armor (6/-1/1)

Thinking 'bout it .. giving them furs would make the Pangaean province defense at least somewhat useful. (see "Centaur Commander")

Japser:
Basic Satyrs:
8 gold cost and staffs makes them alot better. I like the natural protection 2. The javelin throwing ones might be too good for 8 gold. Perhaps lower their precision?

They'll be back to 10gp in the next Version.

Jasper:
Satyr Veterans:
They need better morale. I'd actually just take them out, and let a veteran satyr be one with one star.

They'll change their name to "Champions" in next Version. Moral will be 10.
I'm not shure if I let them go with the hide shield or if I should give them a round shield - pic would fit both, but the later would raise their encumbrance to 6 - quite much for light infantry.

Japser:
Satyr Hoplites:
Should have round shields.

Sadly, this wouldn't fit with the pic ...


Satyr Revlers
onomastikon:
Also sort of missed the Reveler; I find your idea really good with the banner, but I don't feel that he should keep his beserk ability as well (a banner leader should be a cool-headed mini-commander IMHO).

Those revelers aren't commanders, they are champions. They lead not by issuing orders or even by cheering the troops into the fight, but by giving an example of battle prowess when fighting in the front lines.
I gave them minimal berserk ability (1), as I feel that fits the description much better. After all, they enjoy fighting AND living ... .


Zen:
Leave the Standard and keep them a Reveler.
Also instead of the Thorn Staff, maybe you could change it to the Thorn Spear.
Thorn Spear = Damage 5, Att 2, Def 2, Length 4
This makes it slightly less powerful (-1 Att, -2 Def).

It would be -3 Def,actually. I really don't want to go too low with def, as survivability is low enough already

Japser:
Way too good with Thorn Staffs .. I like the standard effect, though I'm not sure about trading Berserk for Skill.
What about taking the Original Revelers, and adding standard +10, a snake staff, and javelins? ..
You need the javelins, otherwise you won't mix them with Javelin Satyrs. Ctis' snake staff retains the flavor you were after, but don't come with +2 attack/defense; just refer to them as thorn staffs in the description.

I'm really not shure which equipment to use. Giving them too much berserk makes them die to quickly. With standard spears they don't do that much damage, and defense is too low to be viable, too.
And the quarterstaff is def+3 already, why give them something worse? I don't think they need javelins, as javelin throwers aren't primary front line fighters, so they don't _have_ to mix with them.

Maybe I settle for Snake Staff(318).

Here's the equipment I consider:

code:

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                 D  A  D  E

                 a  t  e  n

                 m  t  f  c



Spear        (1) 3/ 0/ 0/ 4  1h

Stick      (153) 2/ 0/ 1/ 1  1h



Quarterstaff (7) 3/ 1/ 3/ 4  2h



Thorn Spear      5/ 2/ 2/ 4  1h

Thorn Staff (81) 5/ 3/ 5/ 4  2h, weak poison, magic



Snake Staff(318) 3/ 1/ 3/ 4  1h?, weak poison, magic

Snake Staff (89) 5/ 3/ 5/ 4  2h?, weak poison, magic





                     P  D  E

                     r  e  n

                     o  f  c



Furs           (44)  4/-1/ 1

Leather Cuirass (5)  3/ 0/ 0

Leather Hauberk(10)  4/ 0/ 0

Full Leath Arm.(15)  6/-1/ 1

Ring Mail Haub.(11)  7/-1/ 1

Skull Necklace(113) 10/ 0/ 0



Buckler         (1)  2/ 1/ 0

Round Shield    (2)  3/ 2/ 1

Hide Shield   (105)  2/ 2/ 1

Leather Shield (70)  2/ 2/ 0  the one you can forge

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Centaurs
Japser:
Bugfixing their natural protection to 3 is good. I don't think the standard on the Centaur Commander fits however.

It will be gone with the militia donning furs ...
Added it to give the province defense a little bit more staying power.


Minotaur
Zen:
You might also swap out the Bronze__Curiass on the War Minotaur to a Bronze Hauberk. Thus effectively making a Berserking Minotaur 20 Prot. Then there might be a reason to build them instead of Centaur Warriors.


Won't do too much good - encumbrance will go up to 7, and they can do several trampling attacks per turn - thus making them pass out very soon.


Dryad/Hierophant
Japser:
The change you commented out of your mod is interesting, and would improve Pangaea quite a bit. I'd raise the dryads costs to 90 though.

Modding guidelines say:
Priests
Lvl 2: +20
Lvl 3: +50

.. I'll stick to this for now - who am I to disagree with the developers
'Wasn't able to make it work anyhow


Ok, hope I'll have everything covered now.

See you with v0.3

A.

[ February 09, 2004, 21:12: Message edited by: Arralen ]