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Old June 17th, 2009, 01:53 PM

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"Which attack do you mean? You mean Sptember 11? But Iraq had nothing to do with that (and despite attempts of persons with Bush Derangement Syndrome GWB never said so and did not justify action in Iraq as a response to Sept 11, just as a means to prevent possible future attacks), Afghan-based Osama's group did, that's also why A-stan is a NATO mission."

You might be correct that Saddam had nothing to do with the WTC attack ( jury is still out, there is a considerable amount of circumstantial evidence that Saddam may have unwittingly provided training, papers and funding for the mission but there is no smoking gun and if there ever was it has been buried too deep to find or been destroyed), but Bush II was correct about the WTC attack being part of a larger picture.
Between 1980 and 2000, the Dept of State listed over 4700 attacks on US property or persons by Islamic affiliated groups.
So to just go after Al Qaeda would be like England declaring war on the 9th Panzer division. 9th Panzer was PART of the German Army. Al Qaeda is PART of the terrorists that have been waging war on the USA for the last 40 years or so. Since 1979 when the Embassy in Tehran was captured.
What makes it difficult for the naive to comprehend is that terrorist groups do not work directly for nations or states. Hezz-bo-Allah (Arm of God, roughly translated) works for whoever wants to pay them to kill members of the Dar al-Harb (House of War, which is anyone and everyone not a Muslim). While Hezzbollah are enemies of Al Qaeda, they will both work together to kill Infidels. Sort of like Protestants and Catholics taking a break from killing each other to kill Muslims or 7th day Adventists.
So to say Iraq has nothing to do with terrorism is wrong and evidence of a total misunderstanding of the problem. To say that the current WoT ( War on Terror, a really bad choice for names by Bush II) is a response to the WTC attack is just as wrong. The WTC attack was just the straw that broke the camel's back.
The real issue and the reason why the Left in America and the Euros of both sides were against Iraq is it brought home the fact that we ARE at war.
Clinton and the Euros want to treat terrorism as a crime. It isn't, it's war, but wars are nasty and require sacrifice while a crime is something you can leave to the police, who like doing that stuff. So the average citizen can go back to watching a football game and not be bothered.
At least until guys with rags around their head and automatic weapons kick in his door and ask him to quote Suran 9.18 or be put in jail. He then tells them to leave or he'll call the police. They tell him they ARE the police and if he gives them any more trouble, jail is out and he'll get the old one in the gut two in head roadside execution treatment.

We wandered waaaaay OT here and I apologize for my part in that.
I still fail to understand how where the tank driver was born affects the ratings of the front hull armor. Maybe I'm just slow, but could you 'splain that over agains lucy. ;-)
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