the best ways to use US Army against Russia

[Imp]

Imp, I'm just chatting. I am to old to be serious about any of this, so if it bothers you, I'll leave it alone.

Me to & it might bother me if I thought you were making comments with a You Tube mentality of my army is the best.
Just pointing out where people could disagree so presenting both sides of the coin on which.

You had a go T-80 T-90 are just renamed upgraded T-72s. Now you say M60 is what exactly. Renamed following a similar convention to the Russian upgrade.
Little changes we stick a number or letter on the end big ones we rebadge it.

Also I would like to say the Russians pulled off the biggest propaganda coo of all time at the end of the cold war. If I remember the tanks that are only good in parades caused an US General to remark "Glad they were on our side"
So a large part of the USAs paranoia over the cold war was caused by a bunch of rubbish tanks parading through Berlin.
Thats value for money.
Anyway will stop now as getting boring but will say as the game models ERA the combination of armour rating & ERA might be slightly high, not really looked.
Certainly the armour ratings are possibly slightly high but without testing the game model of ERA its hard to say. Of course Soviet composite armour could be rubbish to but it might also be quite good.
But as said I have seen figures as high as 1300 across approx 50% of front & the link you gave was some guy who puts out his estimate for game use not from a military source that studies & makes estimates on enemy equipment. On that point some countries do not seem very good at it best to trust what the Europeans say

[Imp]

& the link you gave was some guy who puts out his estimate for game use not from a military source that studies & makes estimates on enemy equipment.

Appologies on that statement if wrong just occured to me I might have confussed with another post elsewhere.
also it just occured to me against Western MBT armour rating does not matter if a bit out as they will defeat it unless extreme range or it triggers an ERA packet which may save it so seems okay to me as thats what I would expect to happen.

[Marek_Tucan]

Originally Posted by Imp

Certainly the armour ratings are possibly slightly high but without testing the game model of ERA its hard to say.

The ERA is a difficult beastie all by itself, as is the slat armor and standoff screens. Currently the game does ERA in a "digital" fashion, ie "Block 100%" or "Fail 100%", which is not entirely accurate re. modern HEAT and sabot rounds. The protection of ERA is usually given by RHA thickness its manufacturer says it presents, so it would suggest that the ERA is expected to degrade, not destroy the projectile - so say if you slap Kontakt-5 on a T-90 and fire BGM-71E TOW-2 at it, it might well be degraded enough that it will not penetrate. However do the same with Kontakt-5 on a BMP and the TOW will rip it apart, whereas with the "digital" model it would block the HEAT as well.
The same goes for other technologies. NERA armor used on LEo2A5, T-90 or T-55AM2 would work better against some projectiles, worse against others, of the same category. So any composite armor rating is a WAG even if we do know its composition (which, I believe, we do with T-72B and T-90 to a great degree of certainity).

[Imp]

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Love it

On your comments about ERA etc.
Tend to agree the game model is not correct but then its an add on they managed to squeeze into the code. If doing your own OOB I did think for a lightly armoured vehicle you could reduce the amount of ERA so there is less chance of a hit to represent it will still probably penetrate. So 50% coverage instead of giving an ERA of 5 give it 3.
This on reflection will not work either because now its not there to stop the RPG round that it could have degraded sufficently. You are going to have a bit of fun working out a compromise.
Also agree finding info on what Russian composite armour is made of & construction of has become a lot easier. Still does not realy help though as like its Western counterparts we dont realy no how good it is. Till someone releases data for first generation Chobham saying compared to rolled plate its XX% better vs KE & HEAT its a guess what XXmm of composite is actually worth. And then its a guess how good the improved stuff is
I have a feeling the new generation of composites is very very good against HEAT.