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Old February 18th, 2013, 07:45 PM

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Default Re: German OOB 16 Corrections/Suggestions

Okay, here's what I spotted, while working on pictures. As a reference I use mainly different booklets Panzer Tracts by T. Jentz, being probably ultimate sources on German armour.

1 Pzkw-Ib - proper picture for Ib is 21015 or 18075 (42015 shows Ia and is used for Chinese Ia). Ib was delivered since 8/36 (now 9/35) (Jentz).

By the way: wouldn't "PzKpfw" for all tanks look nicer and more original?... (Apart from Panthers, that don't really need PzKw/PzKpfw prefix) Also, original designations had capital Ausf. letters. I understand, that it was probably decided years ago, but it's just my suggestion which you might ignore...

11, 850, 941 PzKw IIIj - it has picture 5 of older variant E-G (old sprocket wheels)

12, 851, 869, 942 PzKw IIIj/1 - picture 6 shows much older B-D variant.
They have the same icon, as short-gun IIIj.
Wouldn't a better name be Pzkw-IIIJ L60?

033,722 Brummbaer - according to Jentz, this name of Sturmpanzer IV was conceived by the Allied intelligence only.

059 sFH 13 LrS (f) - first completed only in June 1942 (Jentz) (now: 4/42). (It should be armed with 15cm sFH-13 howitzer with probably much more range, not sIG-33 infantry gun.)

062 Moebelwagen-2cm - according to Jentz, only one experimental Mobelwagen with Flakvierling was completed, and then it was decided to continue development of 3.7cm Mobelwagen, and "the single experimental chassis was converted to mount a 3.7cm Flak 43" (contrary to popular belief, spread by old Tamiya model...)
Maybe it could be changed to late SdKfz-7/1 with Flakvierling and armoured cab, available from late 1942?

065 sIG Ib - picture 133 shows sIG 38 ausf H (below)

066 sIG38(t) Grille - early model ausf H (with combat compartment in a middle), has a picture 35 of late variant M

155 SdKfz 69 Protze (light truck) - should be just Kfz 69 Protze. But we have another unit 453 Kfz 69 (utility vehicle), and one of them might be renamed Kfz 70, which was a designation of light truck, while Kfz 69 was a designation of artillery tractor body.

157 Maultier - this should be actually not Maultier (name of half-track truck), but Panzerwerfer 42

303, 304 PzKw 9TP(p) - science fiction units. 9TP didn't even exist in Polish army, not to mention German army. 303 could be ordinary 7TP, with front armour 2 - there are known photos of captured tanks, although they were probably not used as frontline machines. They were not numerous anyway. There are nice photos of German 7TPs, that I can provide.
As for 304, it's rather impossible, that any survived after 1941-42.

324 Flak36/Zugkrwgn - 3.7cm flak, has a wrong picture of SdKfz-10/4 (2cm). I don't know, what it is supposed to be, because there is a separate unit #483 SdKfz 7/2 and they are totally inconsistent (crew 10 vs 6, size etc). #324 could be earlier SdKfz 6/2, actually produced from June 39 (now: 1/39), but its data should be similar (it was a bit smaller, than 7/2). According to Jentz, both had crew of 7. On the other hand, unit #483 could be late SdKfz 7/2 with armoured cab, available from 1943.

337, 341, 349 HS-123 - better name Hs 123 (and consistent with others)

352 PzKw IIIa/d - proper picture for b-d is 27514 (it has a picture 4 of Pz IIIe.)

404 PzKw IIIb/d (s) - same as 352

430 PzKw IIIL has a picture 23145 showing apparently PzKpfw-IV. It has icon with skirts, while it has no Heat side armour.

433 Flammpanzer III has icon with skirts, while it has no Heat side armour

561 PzKw IVd - possible error in a name - it has a picture of IVf2 and long gun.

583, 584 PzKw IIIf-3.7cm, PzKw IIIg-3.7cm - proper picture is 4 - they have picture 5 of 5cm-gun variant (bigger barrel, external mantlet), used for IIIj in the game in addition.

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Michal
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