Polish LWP OOB09 (v.8.1)

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Some notes as for the Polish People's Army


13 T-34/76 M1943 - M1943 were received apparently in 11/43 only (precisely, 22.10.43, but should be available from 11/43, after battle of Lenino in 10/43) (now 7/43)

21 IS-85 - J.Magnuski doesn't mention, that IS-85 were used in Polish units. Sure typical heavy tank was IS-2.

26 M4A2 (76) - Shermans aren't known to be used by the LWP (maybe single ones for training)

27 SU-57 - there was no DShK AAMG. There could be DP LMG, although Magnuski claims, that secondary armament were 5 rifles... Main weapon was in fact US 57mm M1 gun. Max speed was 72 km/h (24), just like of US halftrack. Same for Soviet unit 88.

31,32 SU-85 - there was no DShK AAMG (it was a heavy weapon and could fit only on heavy tanks and heavy SPGs). There is no difference between these units, apart from inexplicable lower ROF.

33,34 SU-100 - there was no DShK, hence there is no justification for two entries. SU-100 was not a typical equipment in Polish units - most probably a couple of vehicles for training only.

35 ISU-122 - delivered from 10/44 only, hence this unit redundant (there is unit 36 already)

37 ISU-122s - it isn't clear, but I'd say, that ISU-122s were delivered after the war only (1/46?). And there are no wartime photos.
J. Magnuski claimed, that ISU-122s had 20 rounds of ammo, but according to a detailed Russian Wikipedia page (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%...0%A3-122%D0%A1 ) it was 30, like in ordinary ISU-122. It would be strange to accept improved SPG with 1/3 less ammo...

ISU-122 and ISU-122s should have different gun - ISU-122s had D-25 (precisely D-25S, not T for tanks), while ISU-122 should have A-19S gun (with the same ballistics, but lower ROF - which is already reflected in OOB)

I'm not sure if I'll review the Soviet OOB, so I'll deal with Soviet ISU-122 here: (36,91 ISU-122, 234,304 ISU-122s)
- all have too much ammo (should be 30), and ROF 6, which is much too much for ISU-122, and for ISU-122s possibly as well (Polish have 4/5)
Max ROF for ISU-122s was 6 rds, practical 3-4. I can find no figures for ISU-122, but it was sure no more, than 3 max (the gun had screw breech). For comparison, max ROF of IS-2 with D-25 gun and single loader, was only 3 rds, practical even less (there is 5-6 in the Soviet OOB, what seems too much as well - the same for IS-III). In Polish LWP there is 4 for IS-2. BTW, in Soviet sources these tanks are invariably known as IS-2, IS-3, not IS-II, IS-III.

BTW: Soviet SU-152 and ISU-152 also have too much ROF 5 (Polish have 3), while they could shoot 1-2 rds/min.

38 SU-152 - weren't used as typical equipment, a couple for training only

41 ISU-152 - photo is SU-152, should be 21026 for a Polish one, or a better quality shot is here http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Luka...su152.jpg.html

46 M3A1 Scout Car - no DShk was used on such light vehicles. It could have original .50 and .30 MGs, or Soviet lighter ones.

50 SdKfz 250/10 - there is a photo of a Polish one http://www.sokol.slupsk.pl/Polskie_koty/8.jpg or with more prominent eagle http://vader.joemonster.org/upload/z...ol_Sd250pl.jpg

53 SU-75 - I've found a photo http://modelstory.stronazen.pl/wp-co...-model-LWP.jpg
They were rather used without side screens.
In Polish reports they were known as T-3 (75mm)

54 SU-38 Hetzer- in Polish reports they were known as T-38 (75mm)

117 Wz.30 HMG[2] - wz.30 HMGs were not used by the LWP

150-151 76.2mm Howitzer - photo is wz.43 (M1943) infantry gun, and weapon's name wz.27/39 suggest M1927 infantry gun, which is already available as unit #221 76.2mm obr27 IG.
There were no obr.27/39 field guns, and Polish army used only ZiS-3 guns at this stage of war (unit #146), so it should be changed to infantry gun, not off-map arty.
I suggest to change it to wz.43 gun, accordingly to a photo - it had max range 4200 m.

158 122mm Howitzer - better icon is twin-tail 2165 (like in Soviet oob). Precisely weapon's name should be wz.31/37

159 122mm Battery - should be class off-map heavy arty

164 25mm AA-Gun - wrong photo, should be 27865 like in the Soviet oob

177,178 Jeep, GAZ-67 - in fact their availability should be swapped (a production of GAZ-67 only started in 9/43).
BTW, it's worth to add GAZ-67 to Soviet oob; or also earlier model GAZ-64 produced from 8/41

179 Dodge - an interesting photo of a Dodge towing mortar http://odkrywca.pl/forum_pics/picsfo...w_radomiu..jpg and 76mm gun http://odkrywca.pl/forum_pics/picsfo...ezis3_1945.jpg

180 Studebaker - much better is Soviet photo 9270

182 JA-12 - it has an inappropriate icon - as for now I've found better 588
The name was precisely Ja-12.
It could be also added to the Soviet oob

183 S-80 Stalinec - green icon 787 is better (as in Soviet oob)

187 Jak-1M - the 1st fighter regiment completed training in 5/44 (now 8/44 - date of first combat usage). Would need a change in formation.

188 Jak-1M - twin 7.62mm MGs was an armament of early Yak-1, but hey were apparently not used in Polish units as frontline equipment.
It isn't clear, if they could carry bombs at all - I suggest to change 188 to strafing only variant with guns like 187.

189 Jak-3 was very untypical in Polish units - few were used, and it could be removed, especially, that it is a strafing fighter.

190 - Jak-7 were used only for training, not as a standard frontline equipment.

192 Jak-9W - variant with 37mm gun should be 9T (W was a trainer, armed with one MG). A rare one however.

193 Jak-9P - P was an interceptor variant from 1949 - should be renamed to Jak-9M, which was a basic fighter from 1/45. Gun armament is OK.
According to A. Morgała, bombs should be 100 kg. It could be doubled as a strafing fighter (eg replacing Jak-7).

219 Taczanka - better icon is 3491 and picture 29520. It should have one MG (although I haven't heard, that there were used taczankas at that stage of war at all...)

221 76.2mm obr27 IG - unit 276 and Soviet OOb use icon 2109

234 "Ptaszki" class - proper name is Jaskolka class.

235 BTSZCZ class - better name is Kormoran class

237 Patrol Boat - in fact, typical armament of patrol boats were ordinary 7.62 Maxims

281 AOP Light Truck - it's better to change it to AOP jeep (pic 29361, icon 3213/15) - 6x6 Dodges were unknown in Polish service.