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Originally Posted by DRG
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Originally Posted by Mustang
Ukraine has too many options, most of the equipment they have is just starting to get operational.
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Well then you should have no trouble providing hard data with sources we can cross-check to support your idea
If we don't include something we get complaints..... we get them when we do put in rare types too. Everything in there was put in because info existed that supported adding it even if there were only a handful in a shop somewhere that does not mean they were not used |
Sources are unclear what is happening. So far they used a handful of Bradley, leopard etc in combat all of which were lost to mines and its not clear what operational capacity they have.
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukraine-wi...tance-package/
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Servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be trained to operate with Bradley in Germany.
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That was in January, if training takes a reasonable amount of time then maybe they will be ready in 2024?
The timelines given for training on everything are very brief. I heard that they are supposed to be operating f 16s right now and other reports say 2025.
For "long campaign" purposes having large Bradley and Abrams forces in Ukraine seems like a 2024-25 thing, all they have seen so far is some minefield losses.
Just as a comparison, in North Africa rommel had 5 Stugs out of thousands of tanks. Nobody includes the Stug in Africa campaign scenarios because they were less than 1% of the force.
We can have a policy where a unit has to be at least 1% of the active forces of an army for it to be in the game, or have seen meaningful combat experience, so we're not including all the minor equipment and prototypes as is the normal practice with any OOB.
https://www.army-technology.com/news...rmany/?cf-view
Using the marder as an example, they received 20 in March and the article implies 10 per month starting in July. Considering Ukraine has thousands of infantry vehicles the marders may not make up 1% the force even now. Buying two "mechanized rifle co" of marders is more than their entire army has.
Then the British and other IFVs might be even less.
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