Comparison of Knights
In a post a while ago asking about Tien Chi, the thread moved towards an analysis of heavy cav / knight type units, the upshot of which that many people said that the Red Guard is a very very nice unit, one of the best around.
I've got a few questions about this, especially regarding the units: Van, Red Guards, Knights of the Chalice, and I have tossed in the Knights of Avalon and Black Knights for the heck of it.
My main questions include:
1. Why is the K of the Chalice so expensive?
2. Does anyone else feel the Van to be the "winner" (for its price and availability)?
3. I really don't think the Red Guard is *that* great -- do you?
(I'd like to put in a little chart displaying their info, but after 3 tries I cant get it to format correctly. It's at the bottom of this post (in unpleasing form)).
By just looking at the units out of context (which is of course silly, but that is what a unit comparison does I suppose), it seems to me that the Van comes out on top.
You can get the Van *anywhere*, not just in your capital. For 70 gold, it is amongst the cheapest, and it is sacred for half upkeep (and bless effects). It has the best MR of all, which I find to be of extreme importance, more and more the later in the game one gets. Its only weaknesses seem to be its relatively low protection and morale. When one considers, however, that it has an 18 defense and *glamour* (yikes), I find that more than makes up for its low protection. And I have never had morale problems with Vans, perhaps too because I almost always have at least 1 priestly type around (they are sacred too).
To top it all off, they are amongst the most stealthy units in the game. Coupled with the ability to make them in any castle anywhere and their *exceedingly low* resource cost, you can get quite where you want them with no problems. Additionally, it is surpassed in speed only by the Knights of Avalon.
I think the Van wins hands down.
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Which brings me to the Red Guard, which has a similar cost, except that it requires more than double the resources. And it is available in the home capital *only*. In fact, its "normal" stats are inferior to the Van's in every single facet except morale and a tiny increase in protection: slower, more costly, less HP, less MR, less str, less attack skill, less defense. And of course it has neither glamour or other special abilities.
So why the hubbub about the Red Guard? Yes of course the context makes it important: you get it in addition to all those nice bowmen etc. But I still think the Red Guard comes out Last except for Ulm. I think the Red Guard is a bit weak, just looking at the Van.
Not much can compare with a Knight of Avalon, except that you must pay quite a bit to get it, and it is home province only. In addition to high MR, it is the fastest unit of all. In addition to all its wonderful stats, which really dont seem to be lacking in anything, it has recuperation. Its only "problem" is its sanctity, or lack thereof.
That is the only thing which the Knight of the Chalice has going for it in this league, it seems to me. It has similar stats to the KofAvalon, except lower MR and much slower speed. What do you think of this unit for its price?
In general, it seems to me as if the Van is just way too scary for its price and non-captial-availability. I would like to see Vans cost a bit more. I'd also like to see the Red Guard either cost a bit less or have some increased bonuses of some sort.
Thanks for listening and replying!
Van Man Ulm Tien Marig
hp 13 14 15 10 14
prot 13 20 24 15 20
moral 12 15 15 15 15
MR 14 13 9 12 12
str 11 12 13 10 12
attk 12 12 12 12 13
def 18 16 9 14 14
move 3/26 3/30 2/18 2/20 2/20
gold 70 85 60 70 90
res 16 61 70 42 61
sac yes no no yes yes
home no yes no yes yes
spec glam recup
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