Dammit

[Arryn]

Cheezeninja said:
oh, and for magnate, if the chaff routes or is killed ALL commanders route, not just their commander.

Correction: all non-berserk commanders.

Folks having these problems are failing to make use of the magic items (such as the Berserker Pelt) the devs created to deal with this issue. As is the case for many things in this game, for each "problem" there is almost always one or more solutions. You just have to get a bit more creative with your strategy. This isn't Warcraft, where the solution to problems is either a.) throw more stuff at it, or b.) use a bigger hammer.