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Old July 15th, 2009, 03:03 PM

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Default British AFV armament peculiarity.

I've noticed that a number of British tanks and AFVs have the Bren as a Coaxial Machine gun. This is, to the best of my knowledge grossly incorrect. There were Bren LMGs onboard the AFVs but as a secondary AA and Ground weapon. The Lakeman mounts were discarded in the ETO as the Luftwaffe was more or less absent but they were usually still retained. I've seen photos of british tanks with the Bren set up on the roof as a useful close in weapon for dealing with Jerry's trying to get close. It was NOT a coaxial weapon however. The magazine prevents it use as such.

Basic weapon fits should be:
Humber Mk I, II and IIIs,
7.92mm Besa, 15mm Besa

The MK III Humber should have a 4 man crew as well.
Driver, Gunner, Commander, Radio Operator. It has a larger turret which was roomy enough for the MKIV humber to have the same turret and the larger US 37mm installed which necessitated the removal of the 4th man.

Vickers Mk VIb
.303 Vickers, .50 Vickers

Vickers Mk VIc
.7.92mm besa, 15mm Besa.

Also, the 15mm BESA in the various vehicles has an HE round listed. This is also, to my knowledge, incorrect. It's my understanding that the 15mm besa was adopted as an Anti AFV weapon and had a steel core AP round. At worst, it would have a ball round where the Steel AP was not available.

Could someone send me a current British OOB file? I moded mine in a fit of annoyance. I'll go back through and see what jumps out at me.

Something else.
Should hand-grenades and the like be added as vehicle weapons? Most british afvs had a bin for these to keep them handy. 3 would be a proper incremental number.
See http://www.mindspring.com/~rmgill/br...Cstow3-5.o.htm for an example.
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