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Old April 29th, 2013, 08:14 PM

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Default Re: German OOB 16: minor corrections

First of all, congratulations to SPWW2 staff on a great work (I didn't realize, that OOB corrections were only a small part of it) And thanks for considering most suggestions.

Time to add another possible corrections in German OOB - mostly minor issues:

11, 850, 941 PzKw III J - it has picture 6 of early 3.7cm gun variant

62 SdKfz 7/1 FlaK - armour should not be all around - only crew's cab and gun shield,

69 SdKfz 223 (Fu) - they were produced until 2/44 and used presumably until the end (now 12/41)

70 SdKfz 231 (6) - first completed by 1933 (now from 9/37). MG was #02 7.92mm MG13

154 Raupenschlepper - a better (and official) name is just RSO, or Steyr RSO (Raupenschlepper means just "tracked tractor")

155 Kfz 70 Protze - it still has a picture of Kfz69 tractor, while Kfz 70 had a truck body. Could be 13106, although it's poor.

168 SdKfz 251/17 - might be actually SdKfz 11 Flak38, as picture indicates (there was no specific name - Jentz calls it 2cm Flak 38 auf Sfl. Zgkw.3t (Sdkfz 11)). Seems much more popular, than more expensive SdKfz-251/17 with all armoured body - at least 604 built. It was typical SP-flak, successor to SdKfz-10/5, erroneously regarded as variant of SdKfz-251/17 in older books, but it was built upon tractor chassis. It had armoured cab and gun shield only. Produced since 3/44 (now 9/42)

200 Sfl.Sturer Emil - according to a detailed chapter in Jentz's booklet, maximum speed was only 25 km/h (now 13) and ammo was 15 (now 18). It also had no AAMG as a standard (and it's not seen on photos), only SMGs. They were assigned to a combat unit (PzjgAbt 521) not earlier, than in 5/42 (now 2/42)

BTW: why not create "Dicker Max" as well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10.5_cm_K_%28gp.Sfl.%29 ?

233-235 Ju 88P-1 and others - Ju 88P variants could have a new picture, with sticking out guns.

274 FJg LMG Grp - it has MG-34, while the picture seems MG-42

286 Panzerturm PzV - IMHO a better pic is 28508

303 PzKw 7TP(p) - it's a detail, but it rather had no SD

307 PzKw IVb -> PzKw IV B

337, 341, 349 Hs-123 - a detail, but a name with "-" is inconsistent with other planes

346 MG08/18 HMG Grp - AFAIK MG08/18 was air-cooled LMG (http://world.guns.ru/machine/de/mg-0-e.html ), while HMG on a heavy sled mount (a tetrapod? ) was just MG08. It concerns also several other units and weapon's name.

390 SdKfz 222 (1941-42) - vehicles produced from 1939 had 14.5mm thick front, so it can represent one.

391 SdKfz 222 (1944-46) - vehicles produced from 1942 had 30mm thick hull front and, according to some sources, 14.5mm thick turret

404 PzKw III B/D s - "s" seems redundant. First were delivered by 11/37 (now 1/39). Speed is quoted as 35 km/h (now 14)

423, 424 Adler Kfz 13, Kfz 14 (Fu) - produced from spring 1933 (now 1/30) (1933 according to newest Jentz; some sources say 1932). Kfz 14 should receive a new icon, unified with Kfz 13.

A gap in early armoured cars could be filled with SdKfz 3, used in 1930-36 http://www.panzerarmee.com/?page_id=1086 http://www.achtungpanzer.com/gepanze...mtw-sdkfz3.htm
It had no fixed armament, but I believe, that a LMG could be shot, at least from an open upper hatch.

425 PzSPw.201(i) - BMG would be useful only when driving backwards...

482 SdKfz 7/1 FlaK - produced since 4/40 (now 1/42) (Jentz - although there is no clear information, if they took part in French campaign however)

483 SdKfz 7/2 FlaK - it had armoured crew's cab and gun shield only. According to Jentz, armour was introduced in 1943 (now 1/42) (earlier we have unarmoured Sdkfz 6/2)

484 SdKfz 8 FlaK 18 - it had armoured crew's cab and gun shield.
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