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Old October 23rd, 2016, 06:36 PM

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Default Greek OOB31 v.9

For the first time, a couple of observations regarding Greek OOB.

AFVs:

06 Honey II - a photo (of Stuart V) or a name should be changed, I don't know which version they used after the war. It would be more likely named Stuart.
This Greek page https://grvehicles.wordpress.com/201...m3a3/#more-862 mentions however only M3A3 Stuart V Recce after the war.

07,09 Valentine
10-13 Churchill tanks - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentine_tank and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill_tank nor this Greek page https://grvehicles.wordpress.com/cat...5-1950/page/3/ doesn't mention any postwar Greek usage of Valentines or Churchills.

The quoted page also doesn't mention Shermans, but they were so ubiquitous, that I wouldn't suggest to remove it with only such info

205,206 Centaur I/IV - used from 5/46 https://grvehicles.wordpress.com/201...taur/#more-859
(this page confirms only Centaur I)

345 Peerless A/C - it was an ordinary armoured truck without turrets - http://world-war-2.wikia.com/wiki/Vi...ss_Armored_Car and
https://grvehicles.wordpress.com/201...eerless-lorry/
I couldn't find a proper icon, as for now might be some turretless armoured car, eg. 759 or 3221 (with open roof)

350,351 CV 33, 35 - as in case of Italian vehicles, speed of all should be 14 (42 km/h).
Earliest CV.33 were armed with a single 6.5mm MG (not twin) - but from 1935 they were retrofitted with 8 mm MGs. I have no exact data, but I doubt if 6.5mm ones were used in combat, and moreover captured by Greece (the page quoted below mentions only 8mm as armament). Therefore, there should be no significant difference between CV 33 and 35 at all...

Some photos are here: https://grvehicles.wordpress.com/201...-3-35/#more-68

352 CV.38 - tankettes with a new suspension were modified in 1942-43, so they couldn't have been captured in 1940.

355 M.11/39 - there's no info, that M.11/39 were captured by Greece. At least two M.13/40 were captured instead, but Polish article in "Poligon" 4/2011 on mechanization of Greek Army claims, that they weren't repaired (Greek page https://grvehicles.wordpress.com/201...m1340/#more-72 says, that there's no info about their Greek usage).

360,361 Renault FT-17,18 - article in Poligon says, that 10 tanks were bought in 1926-30, and Greece had 11 in 1940, but their condition was poor and they weren't even used for training. However, to my surprise, Greek page https://grvehicles.wordpress.com/201...t-ft/#more-577 says, that they were only tested in 1938(?) along with Renault NC-2, but France refused to sell them. Also such info can be found here http://ww2greece.wargaming.info/afvs1.htm ("probably never actually existed, otherwise would certainly be unserviceable") and on forums http://landships.activeboard.com/t22...reign-service/ http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...f=112&t=163918

If it's left, an armament would be rather 8mm Hotchkiss.

362 Renault AMR-33 - sure it wasn't used (no mention anywhere)

363,364 Char NC1(f),NC2 - a single Renault NC-21 was bought, according to http://ww2greece.wargaming.info/afvs1.htm before 1930, and was scrapped in 1930s. According to https://grvehicles.wordpress.com/201...t-nc2/#more-40 it was NC-2 only tested in 1938 (surely not a pictured tank, besides it would be strange to test obsolete NC in 1938).
Armament is unknown, but it would be rather 8mm Hotchkiss or 37 mm Puteaux.
According to http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww...nault_NC27.php it had a gun.

365,366 Vickers Mk E(a)/(b) - both were delivered in 8/31 (now 6/39). Only one of the kind was bought, so the formation #98 Light Tank Sec should be modified to cover both tanks (apart from date change). There would be no infantry tanks, apart from a single NC, which could receive other cat.

367 Char-D1 - obviously wasn't used.

On the other hand, the vehicles that the Greeks did use were two Carden Loyd VI tankettes, bought in 1930-31 (might be 1/30 without great error). Photos on https://grvehicles.wordpress.com/201...n-lloyd-mk-vi/ show, that they had an interesting armoured roof.

There were claims, that Vickers M1936 and Mk VIb light tanks were to be delivered - but according to http://ww2greece.wargaming.info/afvs1.htm , they weren't...

373-375 Humber Mk.I-III - this page https://grvehicles.wordpress.com/201...k-iv/#more-110 mentions only Mk.IV, and used from 1946.

It seems, that Marmon-Herrington III was used instead in North Africa https://grvehicles.wordpress.com/201...k-iii/#more-92

381 Ford Otter II - it was GM Otter, but according to https://grvehicles.wordpress.com/201...otter/#more-96 it was used after 1945.
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