Spanish OOB32 and OOB33 v.11 (2018)

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Spanish Republic OOB32

As often, I didn't mean to go deep into artillery, but I've found an interesting site http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerz...Artilleria.htm... It seems well researched and rather complete, quoting several authors. It appeared by the way, that most off-map artillery has too big range.

Artillery:

86 Obus 75mm L32 - it shouldn't be Italian modern 75/32 gun (entering production only in 1939), but one of old 75/27 guns with max range 10.2 km (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/75/27_Mod._1906). This page http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerz...a/ArtLinea.htm confirms, that M1906 guns were used by Republican Spain in a big number (bought? but it isn't known when).
Now it has range 207, much too big even for 75/32 (which had 12 km). Photo is correct.
It was quite numerous, so maybe there is no reason to end it in 6/38.
Same for units 124,143 Bateria 75L32


87 Obus 75mm Schn (75/28) - according to http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerz...a.htm#Gobierno it is 75/28 modelo 1912. There is no data, and I can't find such Schneider in Chamberlain/Gander's book on light artillery, but range 205 is impossible - a barrel (L28?) is shorter, than French Mle 1897, so I guess it should be some 10 km max (mle 1905 L/31 for Bulgaria had 8 km).
Photo is a different more modern gun with rubber tires - a proper photo is on the quoted page, or 28057 is quite similar (unused).
Same for units 125,144 Bateria 75mm S and 128 Bateria 75/105
Same for Spain OOB33 units 496 Obus de 75mm, 501 75mm Bateria, 502 Bateria 75/105 - plus icon should be 2111

Possibly 85 Obus 75 M28 is the same gun ("28"). Otherwise there is no info on 75 mm Mle 28 gun on http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerz...a/ArtLinea.htm, only few "Cañón Schneider 75 mm. Varios modelos". Photo is Mle 1897, but according to the quoted page, surprisingly, only 3 pieces of this ubiquitous gun were acquired, and it is not sure.

On the other hand, up to 50 of Mle 1897 converted to 76,2mm were delivered by the Soviets, starting from 3/38. Range possibly would be 11 km, like the original. Photo should be standard Mle 1897 rather than French split-trail modification - could be 8526, 8623, 23083. Standard icon is 8044

Same for unit 142 Bateria 75 M28 (with different photo in addition)


88 Obus 76.2mm - icon 2115 is used for 100-122mm howitzers. Soviet M.02/30 gun has icon 2112 and more correct photo 8799 of long-barrel modernized version (corresponding with a range).
Weapon's name should be "02/30", not plain 02 (modernized long-barrel)
Same for units 126,145 Bateria 76.2mm


89 Obus 76.5mm - photo is Skoda 75mm mountain gun. According to http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerz...a/ArtLinea.htm it would be some Skoda 76,5 mm M1907, of which 56 barrels were acquired and matched with improvised gunbeds. It seems that it wasn't too successful. I can't find details about Skoda M1907 (there was only M.17 known https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_cm_FK_M._17), but range 203 is rather impossible (it is doubtful if such makeshift would shoot off-map at all).
There is no photo known, but far better, than Skoda vz.15 mountain gun, would be eg. 28061 (unused, unknown)
Icon 2115 is a howitzer - best would be 2110 or 2111


90 Obus 77mm (Krupp M96) - range was only 8.4km max (now 204) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.7_cm_FK_96_n.A.
Photo of Krupp gun is 23161 (similar or the same - now it's Japanese Type 38)
Icon 2115 is a howitzer - best would be 2110 or 2111

91 Obus 80mm (Skoda) - apparently the same gun as 89 (Czechoslovakia called 76.5mm caliber as 8cm). There are no other 76.5mm Skoda guns indicated on the quoted page.

It could be replaced with Krupp 77 mm FK16, used in significant numbers from late 1936 (up to 60 pieces) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.7_cm_FK_16 - with a better range than Krupp M96 (200-201). Best icon would be long-barrel 2112. Proper photos seem 9392 and 28013 (or similar guns)
Same for units 127,146 Bateria 80mm


93 Obus 100 mm - according to http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerz...Artilleria.htm and http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerz...us/ArtObus.htm Skoda howitzers weren't used before SCW, and during the war only two batteries were captured - one with L/17 and one with L/24 barrels in addition. Could be replaced with something more typical, like 105mm FH 16 from 11/36, according to the latter page (eg. Romanian unit 139).
Same for units 129, 147 Bateria 100mm

Spain OOB33 unit 497 Obus de 100mm could stay, assuming, that they were given by Italy. However proper icon is 2115 (2110 is light gun).


93 Obus 105mm - according to Chamberlain/Gander, a range of Vickers M.1922 was 11.000 m (now 206).
Icon is a light cannon, best is 2116.
Same for Spain OOB unit 498 Obus de 105mmplus icon should be the same 2116 (2112 is light gun).

94 Obus 107mm - probably they were 107 mm Type 38 guns bought by Russia in Japan (http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerz...us/ArtObus.htm and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_38_10_cm_cannon ). Range of original 105 mm Type 38 gun was only 9.9 km or 10.800 m according to http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/38-10.htm (now 202)
Photo is very different twin-trail howitzer Type 91. More similar is 29028 (unused)
Same for unit 149 Bateria 107mm

96 Obus 122mm - no confirmation of Soviet howitzers on http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerz...us/ArtObus.htm
Same for units 132, 151 Bateria 122mm
Could be replaced with 105mm Schneider Mle 1913 cannon, but only 14 were used from 1938 http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerz...a/ArtLinea.htm (eg. Polish unit 98)

97 Obus 127mm - it would be British 60pdr gun Mk I. Current photo is Soviet short 122mm howitzer (British OOB uses 16183, albeit a later model).


133, 152 Bateria 150mm - there were only obsolete pre-war Krupp howitzers (http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerz...Artilleria.htm at a bottom) and a small number of Krupp howitzers acquired during the war http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerz...us/ArtObus.htm
Range 209 is much too big as for howitzers, even with L27 barrel - there is no data, but I don't think it should be better than 200, if not worse.

There was a handful of 150mm cannons, used mostly for coastal defence http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerz.../ArtPesada.htm


134, 155, 160 Bateria 155mm - "Schneider 155/13" was in fact the same short howitzer (L13) as French Mle 17 - unit 154 Bateria 155mm. Correct is a photo 30290 of the latter unit. Used by Republica already from 1/30 - http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerz...Artilleria.htm. Range was only 11.3 km (now there are two weapons with 208-209).

According to http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerz.../ArtPesada.htm, Spain didn't use any other modern long-range 155mm guns, only ancient de Bange 155 mm. M1877 with rigid gunbeds and 13 km range (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Bange_155_mm_cannon).

Same as Spain OOB33 unit 506 155mm Bateria


153 Bateria 152mm - weapon should be M.1909/30, with max range 200 (now 204) (name Perm refers to ancient howitzer M.1884 Perm http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerz...us/ArtObus.htm.

(156 210mm Canon, 157 260mm Mortero - no mention on such antique pieces, only few 240 and 250 mm mortars acquired during the war at http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerz...s/ArtOtros.htm .. Same for Spain OOB33 units 540, 542, at least as for pre-war weapons))