This is simply an
update on the German LEOPARDS as just sent...
"Ralph, (Tank-Masters)
Good Morning! Hopefully all is well with family and you. Congratulations with your collaboration with Dragon Models!
It is my hope we can proceed together so I can get my submission together for our next patch to WinSPMBT (Modernized Steel Panthers). As noted, our German OOB needs fixing.
I have already indicated to the moderators/system managers that I'll be recapitalizing some existing units such as the LEOPARD 2A6 EX to up armored LEOPARD 2A6 with what I believe to be AMAP-B add on armor. Also tracking that the LEOPARD 2A7V that might get the IBD SMART ProTech armor .
So, some of these questions would suffice with a simple Yes or No. I'll provide dates as we have them in the German OOB. We just use a simple Month and Year format, i.e. 12/2020. Our dates assume when the tanks became available for combat and when withdrawn from combat units. So, question #1 below will have a direct bearing on the end date for the A24/A25 tanks. A simple "Good " will work if you have no issues with the dates given below.
I'm just concerned with the
LEOPARD 2A4 -LEOPARD 2A7V.
1) In a national crisis would the training units' tanks be used in a possible combat situation?
2)
LEOPARD 2A4 fielded in 01/1986. Withdrawn from combat units in 12/2008 (Which seems incorrect, as that's closer to when the training units stopped using them.)
3)
LEOPARD 2A5 during or after KFOR, were they ever up armored with the "belly" steel plate for mine protection? My sources say no, we have them in the game as such. My understanding is due to the experiences of KFOR with the A24/A25, this would lead to the development of the 2A6M.
4)
LEOPARD 2A5 fielded in 01/1996. Withdrawn from combat units in 12/2010.
5)
LEOPARD 2A6 fielded in 03/2001. Withdrawn from combat units in 12/2025. The last represents the end time for the game. So, you see the urgency in trying to fix what we can as we find them while still adding new and retiring other units as we find them through the web.
6)
LEOPARD 2A6M we don't have it in the game at all. All I can really find is that Germany had 80 built between 2004-2008. Some of these I know some were leased to Canada until they received their 2A4CAN/2A6CAN tanks. I'm assuming the BUNDESWEHR got them sometime in late 2004 or early 2005 and have no clue as to when they came out of service or were modified to another sub-variant of the 2A6.
7) I'm sorry but, getting a little confusing here. If I understand the temporary designation to support the modification being the
LEOPARD 2A6M+, that this tank
wasn't actually fielded but, would become the
LEOPARD 2A6MA2 is this correct? Also, with further upgrades added, this same tank would
lead to the
LEOPARD 2A6MA1 and a further upgraded
LEOPARD 2A6M some time in 2018 fielded?
8)
LEOPARD 2A6M2 besides the dates for this tank, is this the one that received the
same Fire Control System (FCS) as the
LEOPARD 2A7?
9) From the
LEOPARD 2A6M on until item (8 above, we don't have any of those tanks entered by those designations or with those upgrades noted on your site and a couple of other as current as yours.
10)
LEOPARD 2A7 this we have as I submitted and looks to be current as it stands now with this project. I have it fielded on 12/2014 with game end time again, 12/2025.
11)
LEOPARD 2A7V your thoughts please as to when you think it'll be fielded. And if you think I might be on the right track that it'll have the
SMART ProTech armor package. Or do you think it might play more of a role in the development of the
EMBT?
12) Again, if you have time, I would appreciate your help with my
10/26/2020 email to you concerning mostly the
BOXER as I think we have units the
BUNDESWEHR hasn't ordered to this point based I what I can find.
If you have any thoughts, you wish to share please feel free. I will ensure you get full credit for your assistance and your website. Your website was the one that provided me with "
concrete proof" that the
LEOPARD 2A7 was fielded. So, I thank you for that.
Have a good day! See you were "
playing" in the snow great shots!!
Pat"
I'll find out soon if the offer was for valid. This will be slightly modified to send it to the
Deutsches-PanzerMueseum (Under the purview of the
BUNDESWEHR.) which as noted before provided me information on the East German use or not of the
T-62/T-64 and T-80 tanks a few years back.
As also indicated, I'm prepared to move on this on my own, however
clarification on the items noted above would save me time and not wasting my time.
The Dr. later this morning so,
Good Whatever/Wherever!!
Regards,
Pat