SE IV The End Of An Era.

[klausD]

ruatha,
I know the combat mission series. (although I did not like it very much, its too 3D for my taste)
Buts its alot better than a true real time combat engine, so I would not hesitate to buy the game.

thanks for the info.
klausD

[DarkAngel]

I have not played Civ III in sometime. Has it improved at all? What mods would you recommend?

I think it has.As for good mods it's kinda like SEIV in respect to there's a ton of mods out there for it. Personally i just use my own material usually. Here is a link to just about anything you could ever want/need http://forums.civfanatics.com/index.php?s= . One thing i would recommend is Snoopy's terrain graphics,they make the game look a lot more realistic. Also if you haven't already gotten it the Conquests expansion is pretty cool.

[Fyron]

Originally posted by klausD:
I dont think that a lot of SE3 players has abandoned the series after SE4 release. The most players had complaints about some good SE3 game mechanics which changed in SE4, but nonetheless played it like hell.

You obviously did not know the people I knew then.

I cannot believe that it is easy for a normal user to construct 3D shipsets.

Actually... SE4 requires creating 3D shipsets now, otherwie they look like crap in-game. SE5 will simply require either using a different 3D graphics tool, or a converter.

Also I am VERY sceptical about the real time tactical combat engine. This is a big change to the classical SE approach to this matter.

Yes, but a good change.

Many traditional turn based gamers will leave the fanbase because of this. (maybe me included)

If they leave simply because it is announced to be real time, then they are not true strategy fans. They (and you) will have to try it out, and I have every confidence that it will be nothing like what you are expecting (especially after previous conversations with you on this subject). Real time can very easily play just like SE4 combat does now, with very simple pausing features, and the ability to issue orders while paused. Well, it will not be exactly the same, as it will eliminate all of the idiosyncrocies inherent in EVERY turn based combat system imagineable. It will be better.

And because of a lot of newcomers which are attracted by realtime games the whole structure of the SE-fanbase will change.

Only if it is made to be Starcraft-like real time. Otherwise, no.

For us all I hope that MM has learned something about the MOO3 desaster.

Of course. Do not presume that MM will pull off another MOO3. MOO3 combat was not bad because it was real time, it was bas because it was done very, very poorly.

[Fyron]

Originally posted by DarkAngel:

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I have not played Civ III in sometime. Has it improved at all? What mods would you recommend?

I think it has.As for good mods it's kinda like SEIV in respect to there's a ton of mods out there for it. Personally i just use my own material usually. Here is a link to just about anything you could ever want/need http://forums.civfanatics.com/index.php?s= . One thing i would recommend is Snoopy's terrain graphics,they make the game look a lot more realistic. Also if you haven't already gotten it the Conquests expansion is pretty cool.

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Too bad there had to be 2 expansions to make Civ 3 even approach the level of Civ 2. If CIv 3 would have started out at Conquests, it might have been a worthwhile game. But alas, evil marketing tactics leave us with a huge sum of money for what should have been just the initial release of the game.

[DarkAngel]

Just as games change and adapt with the times so must us fans

[DarkAngel]

Too bad there had to be 2 expansions to make Civ 3 even approach the level of Civ 2. If CIv 3 would have started out at Conquests, it might have been a worthwhile game. But alas, evil marketing tactics leave us with a huge sum of money for what should have been just the initial release of the game

I dunno,i played civ3 since the original release and didn't think it was that bad of a game,but then again i modded it to my liking and really didn't play civ2 all that much

[Fyron]

Compared to Civ 2 Gold or Civ 2 ToT, the original release of Civ 3 was a joke. Hacked out multiplayer, modding was really hard to do (still rather hard to do, no convenient text files to edit ), combat is greatly screwed up in Civ 3 compared to how it was in Civ 2, lack of a scenario folder until one of the expansions, absurdity of how the resource system is set up (didn't find any iron or gunpowder? Too bad, you are screwed), those stupid cultural victories ruining otherwise good games, lack of the ability to use 4 maps in one game for different planets or different layers of a planet (or other ideas), lack of an events system, lack of most of the cool abilities added in Civ 2 ToT, and so on. Certainly, it has a few nice features, but they are far outweighed by the lack of the ones they cut out and the fact that you must spend a huge sum of money to buy the game and both expansions, even though there is really nothing new added in the expansions that was not in the Civ 2 expansions.