two questions: one on AIC and the other on scanner-blocking nebulas

[Wardad]

[ April 26, 2004, 04:56: Message edited by: Wardad ]

[Alneyan]

AIC Question - my starliners, colonizers, and transports get a max of about 2-4 movement. What is to stop me from just using destroyers with full movement? If nothing, then what is the point of giving the transports and colonizers just a QN handicap?

Colony Ships come with an in-built Colony module, unlike all other hulls. As the colony module requires more than 700kt, you would need at least a Battleship to carry such a module, which would be more expensive and maybe slower.

Starliners are used to carry population, since you would otherwise need a *lot* of cargo bays to get the 1,000 cargo space needed to carry one million settlers. I do not recall the purpose of the transports however, as it has been a while since my Last AIC game.

[Yimboli]

Yes, I noticed the colony module is very large. i thought about editing the post, i guess i shoulda

about the population transporting: I can just as easily put a population transport component on a frigate, and have it go much faster. so why have a starliner??

To top it off, the "large" starliner is a wopping 20 kT bigger - and just as slow. Why?

Thanks!
-Timbo

[Alneyan]

The Starliner module does *not* give you the 1,000 cargo needed to transport one million settlers, and is merely needed to give you life support. (You could also put the regular life support on them) The Starliner hull gives you almost all the cargo you need to carry these civilians, but you may need to add more to reach the 1,000 mark. (My memory is faulty on this one)

[Fyron]

Do not starliners have maintenance bonuses?

[oleg]

Originally posted by Yimboli:
about the population transporting: I can just as easily put a population transport component on a frigate, and have it go much faster. so why have a starliner??

To top it off, the "large" starliner is a wopping 20 kT bigger - and just as slow. Why?

Thanks!
-Timbo

AIC is based on Proportions mod. Now, the main idea of Proportions is "realistic" treat of the population in SEIV. Shipping 1M people (and their books, clothes, furniture, cars...)to other world should certainly require enormous ships, not puny military frigates. Just think of Titanic
Unfortunately, when calculating player strength, SEIV takes no account to the true military power but the total tonnage of ships. It upsets AI relations . Because of this, JLS moded small populations transports that can held a lot of cargo and very slow but still relatively small. Just use your imagination and think of them as huge lumbering space starliners !

[ April 24, 2004, 08:33: Message edited by: oleg ]

[Yimboli]

Do not starliners have maintenance bonuses?

oh, they definitely do. maintenance is currently KILLING my economy. I wonder how the computer manages to have SO MANY ships, so i played as them for a turn, and it turns out that the ships that cost me over 1000 minerals in maintenance cost them about 200! Proportions mod? More like Disproportions mod! back to my question...

no one has really answered my question. I can put population transport modules on, say, destroyers and ship people overe 5x as fast. The tonnage isn't that much more, either. SO, why have starliners? they'rejust slow and high maintenance. And again, why have *large* starliners that are just as slow and only have room for 20 kT more space (which can't be used for population transport components cuz i'm already at the max of 3!)?

Thanks for the information all, it's like throwing spaghetti at a wall - keep throwin it at me cuz a little more sticks each time.

-Tim