OT POLL: Do Nice Guys Finish Last??

[Renegade 13]

Originally posted by Raging Deadstar:
Of course if you don't you can start being rather evil and scheming in your spare time and No-one will suspect you

Hmm...thanks for the idea...Muahahahaha!

[Renegade 13]

Originally posted by dmm:
[edit: not directed at anyone in particular!]
If you're a nice guy, why do you want to date a woman who is attracted to jerks? Maybe just because she's HOT? Maybe you're not so nice after all, huh? Just not successful at playing the jerk role, so you try playing the nice role?
My advice to you genuinely nice young guys is:
1) Don't bother dating in high school. It's a waste of your time and money. You're too immature for a relationship worth having (and even if you are not, the girls are).
2) Bide your time. Nice guys usually get even more than they deserve. Jerks eventually get their come-uppance (and we often get to watch).
3) The grass is NOT greener over the fence. Learn to be content. Unattached guys should take the opportunity to do stuff that attached guys can't do easily, like move around, work your head off, take risks, switch careers, etc.

I realize this was a general post, but I'll reply as though it were directed at me, just for the fun of it

I don't want to date a woman who's attracted to jerks. There are however, lots of girls/women who ARE hot, but AREN'T attracted to jerks. The best of both worlds I agree that dating in school is generally useless, and I mostly agree with the rest of what you say.

[Renegade 13]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
Truth is it does work for you. Think about it. You go home at night and feel good about yourself. You know you did not personaly contribute to making the world a worse place to live.

And think a little more. I knew somehow you were a nice guy and look where that got you. Keep in mind that I have a strong strong aVersion to teenagers, for me to somehow feel / know about you....

Pagans have a strong belief in "The Rule of Three". Anything, (good or bad) that you do will come back to you three fold.

"What goes around , comes around"

I must agree with you once again. I do sleep well usually, and I don't feel guilty about what I've done that day (usually). Lol I usually have a strong aVersion to most teenagers as well...and I am one! Simply put, most are not the most wise people in the world. And thank you once again.

[Renegade 13]

Originally posted by Will:
However, my view on it at this point is I don't have time for that bulls#!t. I'm too busy worrying about handling my (overloaded) academic schedule, working, figuring out what I'm doing with my life, expanding my computer skillsets... while still sleeping enough, exercising enough, and eating right. Throw a relationship into that, and in 99% of cases I've seen, a few to several of those priorities vanish completely.

Very true Will, very true. In the very few relationships I've been in (all within the Last year BTW), I've seen my grades slip significantly. I don't think its a coincidence that the relationship coincided with the drop in grades Priorities do change, and not always for the better. However, I still ask myself; if that one girl/woman wanted to have a relationship with me, would I reject her?? The answer is an unconditional NO. Even though it may be bad academically, I would value a relationship more than I would my academic performance.

[Will]

Tesco,

Unfortunately, my hair hasn't been of the blue, red, green, purple, or orange variety for almost two years. I'm considering purple once the whole corporate internship thing ends (it's a software company, but there still are *some* limits to the corporate culture). Should be fun.

And if this {link} is the Pumpkin you are referring to... I would probably like it, even if the reviews on imdb are lukewarm.

Renegade,

We all have different things that are important to us. It's good that you realize that relationships are a trade-off, and I think even better that you choose to pursue them anyway. And great that they apparently are chasing after you

I guess my view is skewed from the fact that I haven't had any 'significant' relationships. In high school I was far too socially inept (read: geek, nerd, dweeb, etc), end of high school and college I focused more on friendships than anything with 'benefits'. And I guess it doesn't help that in SoCal, I would be considered below average... but like I said, doesn't matter, I have (I think) more important things to focus on. My dad seems to agree on the waiting part too (he married my mom when he was 20, she 18). Freedom to move around and discover a bit, instead of being anchored to one place/person.

...

I was going to say something else, but I forgot.

[Atrocities]

That BullS**t will eventually catch up to you whether you want it to or not.

The thing is, if nice guys know that they are going to finish Last, then they can play the game under a differnt set of rules. Finding the rules that work best for you will be the challenge.

[Will]

Good point AT. And when it does catch up to me, I'm probably not gonna do much to resist (like Renegade, I'm not one to flat out reject).

But in the mean time, I don't spend time worrying about it. Hell, friends do it enough for me, since apparently it's not normal to be single .