Poll #2. [Try out the demo, and vote after that!]

-Storm- · #1 October 27th, 2003, 10:01 PM

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Originally posted by Kristoffer O:

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Originally posted by Mortifer:
Update #1.

What should IW improve in Dominions II.?
AI 80% (12)

**Interesting** The AI is really that bad?

No, but it is the only thing that isn't better than anything you have ever seen before

Eh? The truth is that the AI is weak. Even I was able to beat it easily. [I am not a very experienced Dominions player]

I think, that Illwinter should drop all Dominions projects and start to working on the AI, ASAP. It must be upgraded.
I bought Warlords 4. since I've seen Mortifer's post about it. I must admit that the Warlords 4. AI is very good. You guys should buy that game to check out a really powerful AI.
Seriously something must be done with the Dominions AI. I don't know who coded it, but he/she failed.
Other than the AI, the demo is good. The sad part is, that the AI should be the most important thing on the list.

If you guys cannot make a good AI, drop the singleplayer part, since it is pathetic with a bad AI.
However checking out the polls...it seems that around 10/8 players are SPers......ergo you guys should focus on the AI - SP part, but real fast.

[ October 27, 2003, 20:03: Message edited by: -Storm- ]

Saber Cherry · #2 October 27th, 2003, 10:04 PM

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Originally posted by Kristoffer O:
(the AI) is the only thing that isn't better than anything you have ever seen before

Untrue!!! I keep clicking on my units, and they never say "Stop tickling me" or "Zug-zug". What kind of game has mute units?!

P.S. As for what additions I want - I'd like to see the "Heroic Tentacles" hero ability, and some other new heroisms. It just doesn't seem very fantastic otherwise

Seriously, though, 1000 spells, 1000 units, and 1000 hero types would be a nice "Golden Triad" of infinite replayability=)

[ October 27, 2003, 20:08: Message edited by: Saber Cherry ]

-Storm- · #3 October 27th, 2003, 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by Saber Cherry:

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Originally posted by Kristoffer O:
(the AI) is the only thing that isn't better than anything you have ever seen before

Untrue!!! I keep clicking on my units, and they never say "Stop tickling me" or "Zug-zug". What kind of game has mute units?!

Saber, you barely make any constructive comments....kinda annoying.

MythicalMino · #4 October 27th, 2003, 10:14 PM

ok, let me spell this out for you....this poll is only being answered by ppl that post here....

There are MANY other ppl that are VERY MUCH not into single player...ok? There are M A N Y ppl that are N O T into SP, regardless of this poll....Like I said before, go to #dominions on irc, ask them what they play...SP or MP....They will tell you.

I don't care if they don't post here or not. I don't care if they are in a MP chat room, There are many ppl that prefer MP.

I am not sure why you guys cannot understand that.

Now, after saying that, I myself am primarily a SP type of person....but I also understand that Dominions series games are made with MP in mind. What you guys are trying to ask for, is getting a game that is made for MP (Day of Defeat....or Savage....), and complaining that there is no SP content.

Go on, ask the guys over at #dominions on irc....what they prefer...ask them.

Besides...Warlords 4 is a VERY not complex game compared to Dominions. So yes, the AI can be stronger in that game...How many units are in Warlords 4? how many spells? How many nations?

Dominions does what these other games cannot...the amount of units/spells/magical items/nations....summed up in one word: CONTENT.

This whole "discussion" that the fans want SP...when it is not true...is getting old. I mean, a whole 20 ppl has voted...wow....I want SP content added also...a good diplomacy system would make this THE perfect game ever....but if it doesn't get in...then I say "oh well, MP calls"

Please, stop trying to coerce the devs to do "single player stuff" because the "fans" only play single player...stop trying to "redesign" the devs vision...

PvK · #5 October 27th, 2003, 10:20 PM

Gee, the AI in Doms I has done pretty well against me. I've played five SP games, with pretty average difficulty settings, and it's record is 2:1 in its favor so far (2 games were lost in a hard drive crash before they had got beyond the opening stages). In the one game I am pretty clearly going to win, I was stalemated for a very long time with a two-front land war, and only barely escaped destruction when a third AI (Ermor) started sweeping in from three directions underwater. The AI showed some weaknesses, but I thought overall it did a very good job, especially considering the bazillions of possible factors to consider in the game. AI improvements are always appreciated, though. I suppose if I played it more as a competetive puzzle than as an RPG, though, I might be able to find ways to easily play against the AI weaknesses, but that's pretty much the case in all complex games.

PvK

MythicalMino · #6 October 27th, 2003, 10:25 PM

PvK....I agree....I am not saying to dro the AI...but complex games, lend to mediocre AI...look at SE4....the vanilla AI there, ppl complain all the time about it....but, the mods and MP is what helped that game become what it is...

My point I am trying to make is, the only reason I hear that IW should do something is because nobody wants MP to begin with...that is what I am getting tired of hearing...There is a strong core of ppl that play ONLY MP...and practice in SP...

20 ppl voting on a message board poll does not equal the entire game community...simple as that...

Particle · #7 October 27th, 2003, 11:40 PM

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Originally posted by cpbeller:
PvK....I agree....I am not saying to dro the AI...but complex games, lend to mediocre AI...look at SE4....the vanilla AI there, ppl complain all the time about it....but, the mods and MP is what helped that game become what it is...

My point I am trying to make is, the only reason I hear that IW should do something is because nobody wants MP to begin with...that is what I am getting tired of hearing...There is a strong core of ppl that play ONLY MP...and practice in SP...

20 ppl voting on a message board poll does not equal the entire game community...simple as that...

I think many of the posters here are tired by your comments. (I am a SP fan myself)

Okay lets think. Around 80% of the people here, on the Boards are SPers.
Sure there is that IRC chan. I just visited it. It is a small IRC room with a few finnish Dominion players. They are MPers.
Sure not everyone posting here. 3 of my friends, who preordered the game, are mainly SPers. They won't post here more than likely.

We can't tell the exact number of the SP/MP community, but the fact is that hella lot of players are SPers. [Propably lot more fans are SPers.] This is normal in strategy games.

Since Dominions is a SP/MP game, and the SP AI is not "that good", the developers should concentrate on this, to make it lot better.
I hope that cpbeller will understand this.
This has nothing to do with the SP/MP community.

If IW want to make a good game, they must improve what they can. I am pretty sure that the AI can be lot better. Now that the demo is out, the game is coming, they will have time to fix things, like the AI.
Just my 2 cents.

(I voted below average for the AI.)

[ October 27, 2003, 21:42: Message edited by: Particle ]