Poll #2. [Try out the demo, and vote after that!]

Kristoffer O · #1 October 28th, 2003, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by Zerger:
I copy and paste what I posted in that other thread:

I found this very odd. I mean propably we all tried out this Dominions II. demo. Aren't we?
We all have opinion about it? Is that correct?
So if some ppl here don't like the AI, they are trolls? You can't be serious.

Okay why is the AI weak? Hm well I have no idea, that how is this AI working, but I played 5 games with the demo.

First game against 2 AIs @ hardest level: I beat them both easily.
Second game against 4 AIs on map 2, hardest level, I won again.
Third game against 1 AI on map 1, hardest level, I killed the AI easily.
Fourth game against 4 AIs on map 1, I lost this game, but I had a 3 front war.
I won the 5th game again against 3 AIs. [Hardest level]

I am not a veteran player. What do YOU think? The AI is good or not?
I am almost a newbie, and I can beat the hell out of the demo AI. I tend to think that the AI is bad. If it is easy to kill the AI, what is your opinion about it than? Is it good? Guys even a newbie like me can crush the AI. Isn't this funny?

My question is: The AI will be better in the full game?

Other than the AI, the game is good. I love the graphics and the music is good too.
Too bad that I have no time for multiplayer, and I hate Pbem. It is too slow and annoying.

Thank you! This was a bit more informative than some earlier Posts on the matter.

Did you beat all the AI players within 40 turns or did you beat enough of them to feel confident that you would win (personally I do not play very focused in SP, but it usually takes me about 60-100 turns to say that I have won a game).

Did you win by victory points (the AI might be weak in this area as VP is a rather late addition)?

Did you notice if the AIs were waging war amongst themselves?

Did you notice any tactical/strategical bad moves by the AI?

How many of the AIs were you fighting at the same time?

Were yo uplaying a particular nation or theme in all games? It might be that the AI is worse against some opponents (undead).

Did you win the war by winning each battle, or by a total strategy (battle AI or strategic AI problems)?

Was your wins based on score graph evaluation or by actual victory (beating all the AIs/fullfilling victory conditions)?

A suggestion if you want more opposition. Set one AI to impossible and some to normal or easy. This way the impossible AI will have an easy time to swallow up other AIs.

Patrik · #2 October 28th, 2003, 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by Zerger:

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Originally posted by Patrik:

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Originally posted by Shir Khan:
Hi, I just tried out this demo. This is a weird game, but I beat the AI on the hardest level in my second game.
I think this is not normal. In any other games, it is impossible to beat an AI so easily. I guess the AI must be very weak.

Can you (and all other people complaining about the AI) please be more specific? What settings have you used? What maps? What computer nations? How did the game progress? Most importantly - what mistakes did you notice the AI doing?

Most discussions in this forum have been very detailed and well argumented. So far I find the lack of substance in the Posts from people complaining about the AI... interesting.
Patrik check out my post. What details do you want to know about the games? I played on both maps, different AIs, and I've always used impossible AIs. [I won 4 games, and lost 1 but i had very bad luck in that game]

Well, I have to say I am impressed (I might be able to do it but I've been playing the beta for over a year now. And Dom1 for several years before that). Maybe you are a natural.

I realise that a full account of a game is quite a task, but tell us somethings about the Last game. What was your pretender, your opponents, game settings etc? What troops did you build? How fast did you/the AI expand? How much magic did you use? What spells/summonings? At what turn did you win?

-Storm- · #3 October 28th, 2003, 05:42 PM

Kris I try to help you..er I try.
Ok:

- I finished 1 game within 40 turns. I stopped playing the other 2 games, since the AIs were almost dead. I controlled lot more territories, and I had lot bigger armies.

- I don't know about wars between the AIs. I don't think that there was any. I always killed 1 real fast, so only 2 remained in all of those games. *It is so easy to beat an AI in early game.

- Strategical moves? Hmm......I am not sure. I just did what I wanted to....attacked and won..I didn't noticed any good or bad moves by the AI, since he had no choice to do anything what could harm me...

- I had 2 Ais against me in my 3rd game. * I don't know that the AIs were fighting with eachother or not* I won that game too

- I used other nations in all games\

- I won strategically *I think, that the battle AI is good

- I had lot more territories + armies in all games. I've won almost all battles.

- I always played against impossible AIs. Normal is even weaker I guess. I will try normal AI later on..

-Storm- · #4 October 28th, 2003, 05:47 PM

Kris, I have a question:
What is the difference between the normal & impossible AI?
Impossible is supposed to be more clever or...??

MythicalMino · #5 October 28th, 2003, 05:57 PM

could it be something could be wrong with the different Nation AI's to not be attacking each other? Perhaps that could be stopping their expansion? If they meet up to another AI nation, they stop, so when the human player keeps expanding (giving him/her more and more money and resources) the AI is just kinda small...may be many nations, but still small compared to the human player....the 3 games I have played, I haven't seen the AI attacking each other either, only the independents....

-Storm- · #6 October 28th, 2003, 06:01 PM

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Originally posted by cpbeller:
could it be something could be wrong with the different Nation AI's to not be attacking each other? Perhaps that could be stopping their expansion? If they meet up to another AI nation, they stop, so when the human player keeps expanding (giving him/her more and more money and resources) the AI is just kinda small...may be many nations, but still small compared to the human player....the 3 games I have played, I haven't seen the AI attacking each other either, only the independents....

I dunno. Something is definitely wrong with the AI, it is too easy to beat it.

Kristoffer O · #7 October 28th, 2003, 06:04 PM

The impossible AI is supposed to earn more money and have more design points to spend. It is not more clever when it comes to strategical considerations.

Perhaps there is something wrong with those settings.

BTW check old score graphs if you can see how much the AI:s were fighting (provinces going up and down without your interaction).

The AI do not wage war on humans on purpose. They choose between both human and AI players (very democratic of the AI

). This means that you might attack an AI while he is attacking another AI. It is often not too difficult to attack enemies (in SP or in MP) that are unaware and weakened by other wars.

If you have a game where you have won easily zip it and send it over. Please refrain from sending over games that seems OK. The files needed are the ftherland file and the trn files.