patch 2.08 is out

NTJedi · #1 February 18th, 2004, 07:51 PM

SurvivalistMerc... you seem to be gravely mistaken in believing that paralyzation will automatically cause units to fall and become unconcious... that's incorrect.

Paralyzation has different types... take a look at description#2 from dictionary.com which lists one example: Paralyzed by Fear

Perhaps those spirits are causing this type of Paralyzation.

[ February 18, 2004, 17:52: Message edited by: NTJedi ]

PhilD · #2 February 18th, 2004, 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by PDF:
Are you sure ? I mean that the problem seems to lie with the Utgard Seithkona UNIT, that should have an ID and be moddable independently of whether it's used in a theme or not .
Or does the bug lies elsewhere - ie the unit is fine but stg screw it when it's used by Utgard Jotunheim ?

The Utgard theme in 2.08 apparently has a Smouldercone (Abysia site) instead of whatever it should have. Since you cannot mod themes, or sites, whatever you do, Utgard will get a Smouldercone. You can mod the Seithkona, I suppose, but unless you mod the Lava Warrior and Warlock, Utgard will have Abysian units; and if you do, Abysia will lose them. Or anyway, that's how I understand things (I haven't tried to do any modding).

BTW, for the authors of the (IMHO) useless AD&D/rationalization sub-thread: you're getting nowhere, and basically polluting an otherwise useful thread about the patch... if you could take this to another thread, or to PM, that would be nice...

Graeme Dice · #3 February 18th, 2004, 07:56 PM

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Originally posted by SurvivalistMerc:
Any unit capable of fighting back in any way currently, or which currently has defenders of any kind isn't "helpless." If the sphinx has astral magic and the knowledge to cast soul slay or paralyze itself...that doesn't even as a practical matter look helpless to me. Any unit that can't fight back either magically or physically is helpless if it has no one else to fight for it. Or does that not make sense?

Why is the sphinx vulnerable to instant destruction when its mind is shut down, but not whne its mind is active? The physical structure doesn't suddenly fall apart, so there's no reason for it for it to be more susceptible to being hit or killed.

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If there is an astral mage capable of casting paralyze, they probably do have a month. How many additional castings of paralysis can occur during the 30-40 turns that it will take the sphinx to become unparalyzed?

Once he becomes unconscious he has one casting every 4 turns. With a les than 5% success rate on paralyze with a decent MR on the Sphinx, it's not that likely that he will stay paralyzed for the whole month.

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And how soon will the sphinx acquire such an affliction, like feebleminded, as to effectively be unable to fight back in any way? In almost all of these paralyzed victim situations, the astral mage remains on the battlefield.

Why should it matter if the sphinx can effectively cast spells? It still is difficult to physically destroy even without a mind.

#4 February 18th, 2004, 08:02 PM

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Originally posted by PDF:
Are you sure ? I mean that the problem seems to lie with the Utgard Seithkona UNIT, that should have an ID and be moddable independently of whether it's used in a theme or not .
Or does the bug lies elsewhere - ie the unit is fine but stg screw it when it's used by Utgard Jotunheim ?

I have tested the Mod and the Seithkona work, but in my 2.08. Utgard has a starting site Smouldercone instead of the Well of Urd. Now while Ironic, it also makes the Theme lose their Norna and Seithkona are regulated to a Unit not a Commander. The Theme also gets Vaetti (for whatever reason) and Demonbred, Warlock and Apprentices, Lava Warriors.

So unless there is a way to modify the beginning site given to a theme (not nation) with the current tools, then I can't fix it as of right now. Which if someone says you can, I'd love to fix it, as at current there are a few games that are in limbo because of it.

PhilD · #5 February 18th, 2004, 08:06 PM

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Originally posted by Zen:

So unless there is a way to modify the beginning site given to a theme (not nation) with the current tools, then I can't fix it as of right now. Which if someone says you can, I'd love to fix it, as at current there are a few games that are in limbo because of it.

You cannot mod a game in progress, right? So I don't think there's much you can do anyway for games that have already started - all you can do is not move them to 2.08. I'd suggest backing the game up before you host it into 2.08, too.

#6 February 18th, 2004, 08:13 PM

It wasn't hosted in 2.08, it wasn't hosted at all actually. It was hosted in 2.06 before the patch was even applied to my system. So the only issue would be if somehow something snuck in there that is 2.08 and is messing with everything.

PhilD · #7 February 18th, 2004, 08:24 PM

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Originally posted by Zen:
It wasn't hosted in 2.08, it wasn't hosted at all actually. It was hosted in 2.06 before the patch was even applied to my system. So the only issue would be if somehow something snuck in there that is 2.08 and is messing with everything.

Then I'd say you should make sure you back up everything before you host, then try to host with a 2.06 executable. If it crashes, that means someone submitted a turn with 2.08... and you can either ask them to resubmit with 2.06, and decide that the game will go on as 2.06, or make the change to 2.08. Unless you have an Utgard player, though, it should not matter much...