Deception

Reverend Zombie · #1 May 25th, 2004, 01:57 AM

Double post.

[ May 25, 2004, 00:57: Message edited by: Reverend Zombie ]

Stormbinder · #2 May 25th, 2004, 02:04 AM

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Originally posted by Cainehill:
Yeah, and he should have had a choice, "It's not the deception, it's the whining that bothers me."

More whining.

Heh, the only one who is whining constantly is you Cainehill.

You keep whining about whining. Not sure why you are so obssesed with it though.

To Reverand - aye, you are right about possibility of having multiply answers, my mistake. Not sure if it is obious to the pollers though, that's why I would still separate unrealted questions if I would be me. But it's your choice.

[ May 25, 2004, 01:06: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

Zapmeister · #3 May 25th, 2004, 02:17 AM

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Originally posted by Stormbinder:

quote:
Originally posted by Cainehill:
Yeah, and he should have had a choice, "It's not the deception, it's the whining that bothers me."

More whining.

Heh, the only one who is whining constantly is you Cainehill. You keep whining about whining. Not sure why you are so obssesed with it though.

I've just had an interesting thought. This pejorative term (whining) is also a favourite of Norfleet's. And I don't believe I've ever seen anyone else use it in this forum. And Cainehill is a staunch apologist for Norfleet's recent behaviour and style of gameplay.

Anyone else see where I'm going with this...

[ May 25, 2004, 01:18: Message edited by: Zapmeister ]

Norfleet · #4 May 25th, 2004, 02:57 AM

Of course. As I've mentioned before on the chat I am Cainehill's father.

CAINEHILL! I AM YOUR FATHER!

[ May 25, 2004, 01:57: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

Stormbinder · #5 May 25th, 2004, 03:01 AM

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Originally posted by Zapmeister:

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Originally posted by Stormbinder:

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Originally posted by Cainehill:
Yeah, and he should have had a choice, "It's not the deception, it's the whining that bothers me."

More whining.

Heh, the only one who is whining constantly is you Cainehill. You keep whining about whining. Not sure why you are so obssesed with it though.

I've just had an interesting thought. This pejorative term (whining) is also a favourite of Norfleet's. And I don't believe I've ever seen anyone else use it in this forum. And Cainehill is a staunch apologist for Norfleet's recent behaviour and style of gameplay.

Anyone else see where I'm going with this...

[ May 25, 2004, 02:04: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

Cainehill · #6 May 25th, 2004, 03:49 AM

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Originally posted by Zapmeister:
I've just had an interesting thought. This pejorative term (whining) is also a favourite of Norfleet's. And I don't believe I've ever seen anyone else use it in this forum. And Cainehill is a staunch apologist for Norfleet's recent behaviour and style of gameplay.

Anyone else see where I'm going with this...

Ah. So I'm Norfleet too? Maybe we're all Norfleet? FOAD.

First, I'm not an apologist for his behavior or his style of gameplay. His strategy, er, "style" isn't unique to him, but it does lead to a plodding, grinding game that I don't necessarily enjoy myself. In fact, I was one of the people who was somewhat looking forward to a game without Norfleet - in fact, that's what Stormwhiner promised when he was recruiting via private Messages on IRC.

However, instead of *****ing about it (see? A word other than 'whine'), and forming panicky little cabals against him, I think it'd be more productive to .... (drumroll) put some thought into finding a way to defeat the strategy.

Regarding his behavior? Him inserting himself into a game he knew he wasn't desired in was childish, but frankly somewhat understandable. People have a tendency to want to crash parties they know they personally have been excluded from.

If he was pumping the town idiots for information about their strategy against "Pakhar"'s Caelum, that's worse.

But what I was seeing on IRC was people approaching Norfleet and asking for his feedback regarding actions they were trying to take against someone using his strategy.

I was also seeing unfair (ie, cheating) cooperation being used against Caelum in the game.

Telling someone via IRC or email that an opponent has leaders in a province that the someone can't see, so that the someone can cast Magic Arrows, strikes me as a cheezy, lice-ridden cheating tactic.

Sending out emails to all but one of the players in a game, trying to organize an alliance and concerted campaign against the lone player - again, cheezy, cowardly, and irritating, once again pretty close to 'cheating' in my book.

If something couldn't be done in game, isn't it darn close to cheating? Messages sent in the game don't get received until the next turn. This is in keeping with the game's background and mechanics. Sending instant updates during a turn isn't.

So - blame Norfleet, blame the feverish conspirers against him, blame me for getting irritated at all parties but keeping my yap shut.

Oh - and you haven't seen the term "whining" or "whiners" used much? Maybe you never spent time in the military (one of the main things Norfleet and I have in common), where "whine" is the most socially acceptable of numerous terms in common use for the same type of irritating behavior.

Or maybe it's an age thing? Norfleet has stated he's in the uppermost Category in the "age" poll / thread; I myself am somewhat older than the average / median. I suspect a slice of the younger generation has been brought up to believe that it's "judgemental" to say someone is whining, because "all" points of view are valid.

In response to those people, I'll quote Stormbinder's eloquence : STFU.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Norfleet · #7 May 25th, 2004, 04:02 AM

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Originally posted by Cainehill:
Regarding his behavior? Him inserting himself into a game he knew he wasn't desired in was childish, but frankly somewhat understandable. People have a tendency to want to crash parties they know they personally have been excluded from.

That would have been the case had somebody bothered to inform me that I was being excluded. Of course, I didn't find out that there even *WAS* an attempt to exclude me from the game until after I had confided my presence to Cainehill! If anything, the conditions of the game seemed more likely to bait me than indicate that I was not to attend: You don't advertise for "intermediate" and "expert" players only, then expect them not to notice the challenge.

By that time I already well *IN* to the game, and I don't pull out of games.