A Question of Timing 2: Communion Master/Slave

[Stormbinder]

Originally posted by Kel:

quote:

---

Originally posted by Stormbinder:
Nope, it only takes 8 slaves even if you don't have path enchancer item.

Hmm, did I miss something ? 8 slaves = +3 to paths + 1 starting = 4 and petrify requires E5 iirc.

You could use gems but then you don't even need 8 and I mentioned that already

---

You are forgeting a little spell called Summon Earthpower. It good for your communion slaves as well. 1 random + 3 from 8 slaves + 1 from SEP =5

Try 6 quickened archs casting Enslave with 2-4 penetration (that's 12 MR checks per round with a 2-4 mod). I have picked up many SC's and national heroes that way (though mostly as Arco).
[/qb]

Yeap, it's nice, but enslave mind render all these SC and national heroes mostly useless by stripibng them of commnader status and all their items/abilities.

*Depends on what you are facing* (think i mentioned that twice now). Enslave, I don't know, say a tarrasque and see if it is useless. Sure, its not as good as summoning one yourself...but, gemwise, it's free

Charm is dandy but your penetration is going to be worse and most of your mages, remember we are talking Pythium here, can't cast it at all so I would hardly say that was a good replacement.

- Kel [/qb][/quote]Hmm does Charm really has lower MR check than Enslave? Do you have some hard numbers?

[ July 13, 2004, 00:10: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

[Stormbinder]

Originally posted by Kel:

quote:

---

Originally posted by Stormbinder:
Nope, it only takes 8 slaves even if you don't have path enchancer item.

Hmm, did I miss something ? 8 slaves = +3 to paths + 1 starting = 4 and petrify requires E5 iirc.

You could use gems but then you don't even need 8 and I mentioned that already

---

You are forgeting a little spell called Summon Earthpower. It good for your communion slaves as well. 1 random + 3 from 8 slaves + 1 from SEP =5

Try 6 quickened archs casting Enslave with 2-4 penetration (that's 12 MR checks per round with a 2-4 mod). I have picked up many SC's and national heroes that way (though mostly as Arco).
[/qb]

Yeap, it's nice, but enslave mind render all these SC and national heroes mostly useless by stripibng them of commnader status and all their items/abilities.

*Depends on what you are facing* (think i mentioned that twice now). Enslave, I don't know, say a tarrasque and see if it is useless. Sure, its not as good as summoning one yourself...but, gemwise, it's free

Charm is dandy but your penetration is going to be worse and most of your mages, remember we are talking Pythium here, can't cast it at all so I would hardly say that was a good replacement.

- Kel

Hmm does Charm really has lower MR check than Enslave? Do you have some hard numbers?

[ July 13, 2004, 00:36: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

[Kel]

Originally posted by Stormbinder:
You are forgeting a little spell called Summon Earthpower.

No, I didn't forget it and it wasn't in the original equation. I suppose you could empower too, along those lines.

Hmm does Charm really has lower MR check than Enslave? Do you have some hard numbers?

Sure but they do'nt need to be calculated, given that Pythium can forge astral enhancers and they start with one less than the path requirement for enslave, while most of your archs can't cast charm at all *and* the rare ones who can are 2 below the minimum *and* its a bit harder for Pythium to make nature path enhancers than astral path enhancers *and* charm is a higher level spell...I think its pretty clear that while charm is a possiblity, given no other factors, it isn't an obvious replacement for Enslave.

- Kel

[ July 13, 2004, 02:05: Message edited by: Kel ]