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Old July 13th, 2004, 11:57 AM

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In fact it's the opposite of Second Sun ...
I wonder only why such an high spell is a national spell ...

Like if to Abysya were given Second Sun as national spell in addition to Flare.
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Old July 13th, 2004, 03:31 PM
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It is thematic. VERY thematic. It also hurts Jotunheim as they need as much gold as they can get and Niefelheim does not have any cheap patrollers. Niefelheim is very strongly biased towards bless strategy, that needs points. If you were going to cast Illwinter with your pretender you would have to sacrifice something. Giants kill everything they hit, period. +2 strength has next to none effect. And you probably wouldn't want to go above B5 needed for the spell. Water is nice, especially at 9, but that is very expensive again. You could also go for Earth or Nature, but not for both, and not for a nine.

If you were to cast Illwinter with your Skrattis you would have to wait until Contruction 6. W2B3 (optimal) would still need atleast Water Bracelet, Brazen Vessel and Blood Athame. You can get both Water and Blood boosters at Constr. 2/4, but you cannot equip them all as two of the Blood (Armor of Souls/Twisting Thorns) and the only Water (Robe of the Sea) booster all go for Body slot.

It is exceptional, but still not easy to use. And, as said before, you are everyone's target. It is not as Illwinter was the end of the world. It takes three years of Illwinter to make that happen!

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Old July 13th, 2004, 04:38 PM
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Closely looking at this spell makes it not worthwhile unless your a strong power on the map with most of your enemies using heat of 2 and 3. Also its very misleading/cruel for the spell description to say it's awakening these giants when it does not. The spell only creates unrest and spreads cold... rarely worth investing blood_slaves to cast the spell.
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Old July 13th, 2004, 06:07 PM
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You could also go for Earth or Nature, but not for both, and not for a nine.
An earth 4, nature 9 blessing is just affordable for Nifelheim with the Earth Mother. You can do it with order 3, cold 3, misfortune 2, and a fortress. This setup has the added benefit of saving you 10 nature gems for the regen rings for each Jarl, as well as allowing you to control when they will become berserkers by placing the bless spell Last in their list of spells. It also gives you reinvigoration 2, which isn't a lot, but makes it easier to give them enough reinvigoration to be able to fight against undead troops.
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