Save the Trees! [Fire Susceptibility]

[Wendigo]

Originally posted by Inigo Montoya:
The way the game is set up, the maximum you can get from any combination of items and spells, regardless of school, is 100% above the baseline.
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Strange. The general rule is that you can stack item+item+spell, & you cannot stack spell+spell.

Ok, one Last shot in the dark to test that cap you are banging yourself against:

Equip your commander with a 100FR item, and place him in the middle of a 20 or so men unit. Then script a nearby mage with gems to cast Fire Fend...he should target the group despite the partial resistance on the commander. Tell us if it stacks or not past the +100 cap.

If it doesn't work you should report it as a bug.

[Endoperez]

Originally posted by Wendigo:

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Originally posted by Inigo Montoya:
The way the game is set up, the maximum you can get from any combination of items and spells, regardless of school, is 100% above the baseline.

Strange. The general rule is that you can stack item+item+spell, & you cannot stack spell+spell.

Ok, one Last shot in the dark to test that cap you are banging yourself against:

Equip your commander with a 100FR item, and place him in the middle of a 20 or so men unit. Then script a nearby mage with gems to cast Fire Fend...he should target the group despite the partial resistance on the commander. Tell us if it stacks or not past the +100 cap.

If it doesn't work you should report it as a bug. [/QB]

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I think the only bug in question is the old AI bug preventing the casting of full resistance if the something in question already has any lesser resistance. You CANNOT make a tree totally immune to fire with mere items. You would need the tree to be able to cast spell granting resistance, and that is impossible.

About the Icarid Champion question. Is it possible to cast Resist Fire after he has gotten to 0% resistnace/suspecibility with eg. Charcoal Shield, and does this raise the resistance to full 100% res. or only to 50%, for a total of 100?

[lonewolf]

Flame Helmet + Red Dragon Scale Mail = 125%
No need for spells. Haven't tested it on the battlefield with spell augmentation, though - I just had a look at one of my commanders so equipped.

Under 2.12, is the extra 25% wasted though? i.e., is the 125% treated as truncated to 100%?

[Inigo Montoya]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
It would appear that this has been changed, then, since I very clearly remember ending up with 150 FR through the Charcoal shield + Fire Ring combo. It no longer goes past 100? That would suggest that it's now impossible.

Norfleet, I pronounce YOU the MASTER!

There are at least a couple bugs here, guys.

Dragon Helmet alone = 50% FR
Charcoal Shield alone = 50% FR
Ring of Fire alone = 100% FR
Burning Pearl alone = 100% FR

Charcoal Shield + Dragon Helmet = 50% FR. [50% low]

Charcoal Shield + Burning Pearl = 100% FR. [Correct if Burning Pearl truly gives "partial" protection, i.e. 50% FR]

Burning Pearl + Dragon Helmet = 100% [Correct if Burning Pearl gives 50% FR]

Dragon Helment + Ring of Fire = 150% [Correct]

Charcoal Shield + Ring of Fire = 150% FR. [Correct]

Ring of Fire + Burning Pearl = 200% FR. [50% high, if Burning Pearl gives 50% FR]

In my previous testing, I was using the Burning Pearl, assuming it gave 100% FR.

Bug #1: I can see why Norfleet was proposing a theory that you can't have two FR's of the same % add -- that would explain the Dragon Helmet + Charcoal Shield result. I'll check various combinations for this later to verify.

Bug #2: Burning Pearl is sometimes worth 50% FR and sometimes worth 100% FR. Bizzarro!

I wouldn't have found this without your specific comment about Charcoal Shield and Ring of Fire, Norfleet. I didn't think it would work at all and was flabbergasted when it did provide the right amount of FR. I had been using the Burning Pearl for that extra +4 attack and thus my error.

[Inigo Montoya]

Originally posted by Inigo Montoya:

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Originally posted by Norfleet:
That's not the experience I had, where I tried to stack a firebrand with a charcoal shield in attempt to attain 100 resistance, which didn't affect anything. Are you sure this works? Unless this was changed in the recent patch, past experience says that this wouldn't work...

Graeme is right about this. You can stack two 50%'s and get to 100%.

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BTW, my test "confirming" this was Burning Pearl + Dragon Helmet. Now it looks like Norfleet was right, Graeme -- since Burning Pearl is bugged.

For example, Hell Sword (50% FR) + Dragon Helmet (50% FR) = 50% FR [50% too low]

[ July 13, 2004, 12:51: Message edited by: Inigo Montoya ]

[Truper]

I wonder if its worth testing whether the bug is in the fire resistane, or in the displayed FR%?

IOW, can you, say, incinerate a unit with a hell sword and a dragon helmet?

[archaeolept]

lol

funniest thread of the day

so i guess, as things stand, the only rule is that there is no rule

anyone want to check cold, poison, and lightning resistant items/spells?

(btw endoperez, the "resistance bug" shouldn't affect the suggested method of putting the one commander in a group of units - the spell should still work on the whole group. maybe )