A prioritized and hopefully realistic Wish List for 2.13

Gandalf Parker · #1 July 16th, 2004, 05:15 PM

A poll could be helpful but would have to be very carefully done. Many efforts along that line tended to be worded coser to "we the mob demand these fixes" rather than the "please and thank you consider this" that our momma taught us.

What would help, and has been done in the past but dropped by people doing it, is to collect all of the suggestions into a list. To keep the list clean and useable by the devs it should avoid too much discussion. The descripts of each item (suggestions, bugs, opinions, avoid categorizing them) could be just 6-10 words and a link to the thread where it was/is/can-be discussed. If such a list could be maintained and items added/deleted as patches come out, THAT would be a great contribution to the forum. And probably worth making sticky.

This is actually one of the most requested things by all of the developers in all of the game forums here. The discussions are great but hard to wade thru to see whether its a new topic they should add to their list. A directory of conversations would be very helpful.

[ July 16, 2004, 16:20: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]

Arryn · #2 July 16th, 2004, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
What would help, and has been done in the past but dropped by people doing it, is to collect all of the suggestions into a list. To keep the list clean and useable by the devs it should avoid too much discussion. The descripts of each item (suggestions, bugs, opinions, avoid categorizing them) could be just 6-10 words and a link to the thread where it was/is/can-be discussed. If such a list could be maintained and items added/deleted as patches come out, THAT would be a great contribution to the forum. And probably worth making sticky.

Well, since Zen's taken charge of creating/maintaining locked sticky threads on this forum, shouldn't he be the one we ask to take on this highly useful yet tedious task?

EDIT: typo

[ July 16, 2004, 16:28: Message edited by: Arryn ]

CUnknown · #3 July 16th, 2004, 06:12 PM

I have two questions for the more experienced players:

1) Are games often won without the use of SC's?

2) Are games often won without the use of lifedrain in any form?

If the answers are: "No, not often. You typically need SC's and/or lifedrain in order to win competitive games." Then, it seems reasonable that lifedrain (in any form) should be either nerfed or made more expensive. Doesn't everyone agree with this, even the people who are against nerfing lifedrain?

If people answer "No" to those questions, and still are against nerfing lifedrain, I'd like to hear why. In my opinion, the less viable options there are in a game, the less strategy there is. So, nerfing lifedrain in Dom2 would make other options viable, and make the game even more deep than it already is.

Now, I'm not sure if lifedrain is tyically necessary to win, so I haven't made up my mind about nerfing it yet.

NTJedi · #4 July 16th, 2004, 06:22 PM

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Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:

What would help, and has been done in the past but dropped by people doing it, is to collect all of the suggestions into a list. ......... A directory of conversations would be very helpful.

Sounds nice but... the problem here is some people tend to write paragraphs and paragraphs about their suggestions then others who disagree will write paragraphs and/or off-topic discussions begin. The poll is much more efficient for gathering the information where the developers won't have to spend hours reading Posts.

Endoperez · #5 July 16th, 2004, 06:43 PM

Most games will propably see the use of SCs. It is better to ask would the player have won the game without SC or lifedraining. Especially when lifedrain is also a spell (that can be casted from an item!) and in that case the melee-drainers would not see use. With that wording your question and interpretation (sp?) seems to be along the lines of this one, although not as strongly:

Are games won without use of elemental magics?
Are games won without Evocation spells?

If not, evocations, especially elemental ones, are obviously overpowered!

Gandalf Parker · #6 July 16th, 2004, 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by CUnknown:
I have two questions for the more experienced players:

1) Are games often won without the use of SC's?

2) Are games often won without the use of lifedrain in any form?

I think the answer is yes to both but then I dont particularly care. I think its only a question involving player-vs-player, on fairly small maps, and little or no diplomacy. None of which are a factor in 90% of my games.

But it doesn seem a reasonable thing to try and pin down. IF its common then it can stand some tweaking but I dont think it breaks the game. Remember that balance in Dom2 does not mean that everyone (unit, nation, god, player)can beat something, as long as SOMEONE (unit, nation, god, player) can.

Endoperez · #7 July 16th, 2004, 06:45 PM

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Originally posted by NTJedi:

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Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:

What would help, and has been done in the past but dropped by people doing it, is to collect all of the suggestions into a list. ......... A directory of conversations would be very helpful.

Sounds nice but... the problem here is some people tend to write paragraphs and paragraphs about their suggestions then others who disagree will write paragraphs and/or off-topic discussions begin. The poll is much more efficient for gathering the information where the developers won't have to spend hours reading Posts.

But as we players do read the Posts the poll will most probably be colored by the views of the persons most actively speaking them aloud... I admit I have 'fallen' for that one a few times.