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[The Panther]

Does 'dry' mean no water? I seem to recall there are all races in this game, including the two water ones.

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by The Panther:
Does 'dry' mean no water? I seem to recall there are all races in this game, including the two water ones.

Nope. Just means that the inland lakes aren't connected as neighbors to each other and to the ocean. Someone picked "Dry" as the easiest way to distinguish the revised .map setup; the original Karan gives simply incredibly advantages to the "wet" nations.

[Norfleet]

No, "dry" Karan is the Version of Karan where the inland lakes are not considered neighbors of the sea provinces that the rivers connect them to.

This has slight ramifications on the spread of dominion for a land nation across water, since the water-shortcut, while not accessible to land units, still affects spread of dominion. It also has an effect on inland water access for water nations.

The underlying issue that there is not enough water for both water nations remains unaddressed in both the original and "Dry" Versions of Karan.

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
The underlying issue that there is not enough water for both water nations remains unaddressed in both the original and "Dry" Versions of Karan.

True - but general consensus is that Karan simply doesn't have enough room for both water nations. Then again - it probably doesn't have enough room for all 15 land nations either.

In a situation with all 17 nations, either Version has something of an advantage for the water nations - one of them is probably going to be one of the nations surviving well into the mid-to-late game, and one will die. That's a 50% chance, better than most of the nations will have.

Of course, Vegas has odds on whether it will be Atlantis or R'lyeh still standing, and those odds aren't 50/50.

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
The underlying issue that there is not enough water for both water nations remains unaddressed in both the original and "Dry" Versions of Karan.

Also note that in a game with 17 nations, the water nations have more nominal provinces per nation than the land nations. 20 water provinces for 2 water nations - 10 each.

142 land provinces, for 15 land nations - 9.46666... each.

And this is ignoring that both Atlantis and R'lyen can easily take land provinces, while most land setups have difficulty going into the water.

Originally posted by Cainehill:
Also note that in a game with 17 nations, the water nations have more nominal provinces per nation than the land nations. 20 water provinces for 2 water nations - 10 each.

Not if we're playing Dry Karan, surely? Then they'll lose access to - six? - water provinces. Or worse, one of them will get dumped in an isolated landlocked lake, and end up scrabbling for a share of the land provinces instead.

[Karacan]

Hmm, I don't see Atlantis "easily" taking land provinces. R'lyeh, maybe. I am not an expert R'lyeh player, but even since Dom 1, Atlantis has always been my favourite nation.

Anyway, I hope for a bloody battle. Maybe the underwater players ally to scourge the lands of those evil beasties. *hint, hint, nudge nudge* Who was playing Atlantis again?