OT: No black holes? One scientist thinks so...

[mottlee]

I Here by Volinteer to go look for one!!!!


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[AngleWyrm]

Uhura for instance...

[narf poit chez BOOM]

* Waits for Fyron to post...

[Jestak]

Greetings,

A hole does not exists by itself. It is what is around the hole that exists...

Thank you

[Starhawk]

Well the dumb thing I think we modern folks have is that when scientists go "We're right" we go "Uhhh Okay" even though every few years a new group of scientists go "No we're right." and we go "uhhhh okay"
And then again and again and again science today is like a passing FAD it's always right till someone proves it wrong and then that's proven wrong and the first theory is proven right again until the next time someone proves it wrong and then so on add nauseum.

I mean seriously blackholes have never had any proof what so ever we just went "duhhh okay" and now we've got a new theory which may well be proven correct in the next couple of years but he has no more or no less proof then black hole guys as it stands.

[Aiken]

Tipical humaniform approach to science. It proved to be wrong. The fact you cannot see or touch an object doesn't mean that there's no object. Else all our cosmology would be nothing but idle fancy. BH are "observable" in X-rays and gamma rays emmited by falling gas (in binary systems or BH inside the nebulas).

Some nonsensical quotes:
"Instead, gravity makes clocks run at different rates in different places. But quantum mechanics, which describes physical phenomena at infinitesimally small scales, is meaningful only if time is universal; if not, its equations make no sense."
QM neglect gravity in equations due to vanishingly small influence it has in typical QM scale. It only makes sense beyond the Plank scale. For a particle falling into blackhole there's no time deceleration. Only for outer observer.

""General relativity predicts that nothing happens at the event horizon," says Chapline."
An object will be quickly destroyed by tidal forces, actually.

"Dark matter blah-blah-blah".
Funniest part. Dark matter is no more directly observable than BH and less described in terms of sane theory. So why dark matter? Because it's a fashionable theme and author wanted to have one more publication.

Cheap stuff.

[Iron Giant]

And in our lifetimes, no one will ever fly out and observe one. Pity. We'll never know for sure.

[Starhawk]

No the point is that they are not observable and as pointed out earlier that is a common myth, no one has seen one ever....if they had then there wouldn't even be room for this guy's disputing the theory to begin with.

[Saber Cherry]

Jestak said:
Greetings,

A hole does not exists by itself. It is what is around the hole that exists...

Thank you

Black holes aren't really holes...

I've also heard them called "Frozen Stars" because the intense gravity changes time inside, to the extent that - from an outsider's perspective - they never fully collapse, just slow down and stop. They're still in the process of implosion, so the end result of a collapsing star is irrelevant to the known universe, since such a thing cannot occur in a finite (external) timeframe.

If you flew into a black hole, you might see the end result of the collapse, but then the information would never get back out The end result is that there are no singularities in the universe, and the mass component of black holes ends up having finite size as far as outsiders are concerned.

Another result is that you can't kill people by throwing them into black holes, unless you also die (assuming the BH is big enough so that tidal forces at the event horizon are weak). You can throw someone in, visit them 10 years later, and they'll still be alive as though no time has passed. Of course, you won't be able to leave once you visit them, and then you'll both die.

[Starhawk]

Again where does this "time freezes" crap come from, no one knows because no one ever has ever even seen a blackhole muchless measuerd time in there LOL face it scientists LOVE making theories that can never be disproven in their lifetimes

Just like the theory that if your hand should stay on a table for a million years you wouldn't be able to remove your hand because your hand and the table would become the same molecules, yeah they'd be DUST but hey this is a "scientific fact" afterall isn't it ;p.