My Mictlan strategy: okay, but needs work

shovah · #1 September 6th, 2006, 02:29 PM

Actally your wrong, any-one, with enough of an economy can outspread mictlan because of 1 little fact: They can have multiple priests working per province. I agree they caan spread dominion well but, imo other races do it better (and cheaper)

Ygorl · #2 September 6th, 2006, 03:13 PM

But priests can only raise dominion up to a small positive level, and not nearly as effectively as temples (or blood sacrifices). From my own (limited, certainly) experience, a Mictlan nation with a medium-dominion pretender can push dominion just as effectively as anyone else - and if you made it a priority, with a high-dominion pretender and jade knives, it would be pretty astonishing. It also wouldn't be that expensive. Spending 50 or even 100 blood slaves (if you have a *massive* frontier) a turn isn't a big deal for late-game Mictlan; you're probably making 20+ per province your hunting in, so you can easily have plenty more for those devils etc.
Is 100 temple checks better than 14 extra devils? Maybe not, but depending on the circumstances...

shovah · #3 September 6th, 2006, 03:52 PM

Yes, they can push up there with the big boys, i was simply pointing out (as a counter to BigJ's post) that even at full force they can be out pushed.

Frostmourne27 · #4 September 6th, 2006, 04:23 PM

Isn't the dominion produced by preaching unable to spread to nearby provinces? If thats the case Mictlan might be better - sacrificing/temple checks can spread it to nearby provinces.

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Spending 50 or even 100 blood slaves (if you have a *massive* frontier) a turn isn't a big deal for late-game Mictlan; you're probably making 20+ per province your hunting in, so you can easily have plenty more for those devils etc.

Am I missing something here? AFAIK Mictlan is no better than anyone elese at blood hunting. They have blood mages of course, but Abysia is just as good. Granted, ulm isn't as good, but I don't think mictlan has a bonus to blood hunting do they? Other thatn a bigger incentive that is.

Graeme Dice · #5 September 6th, 2006, 07:07 PM

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Frostmourne27 said:
They have blood mages of course, but Abysia is just as good. Granted, ulm isn't as good, but I don't think mictlan has a bonus to blood hunting do they? Other thatn a bigger incentive that is.

Abysian warlock apprentices are just as effective at getting blood slaves as a Mictlan priest with a dousing rod, but are 110 gold more expensive (IIRC), and are capital only. On a smaller map, Abysia can compete. On a larger map, it's hard to compete with Mictlan priests.

Frostmourne27 · #6 September 6th, 2006, 07:53 PM

True, my question was more about Mictlan having an intrinsic bonus to blood hunting. AFAIK they don't, but it sounded kinda like they might.

Boron · #7 September 6th, 2006, 08:18 PM

Dominionkilling someone is extremely difficult also.
As Graeme says i would give Vanheim or Abysia the best chances if they manage to get enough of a blood income.

But normally it is easier to kill an enemy with force instead.

BigJMoney · #8 September 7th, 2006, 02:12 AM

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shovah said:
Actally your wrong, any-one, with enough of an economy can outspread mictlan because of 1 little fact: They can have multiple priests working per province. (and cheaper)

Do not take this as an offense, because it's purely surprise. I'm very surprised you don't know one of the most basic aspects of the game. Priests do not spread dominion; they increase it within their current province only. Not just that, but they can only raise it to a point equal to their priest level (plus temple bonus). Thus, only stealthy priests ever have the power to take your dominion into enemy territories. Even then, 10 holy2 stealth priests would have less of a chance of spreading dominion than 1 Mictlan holy2 priest performing a blood sacrifice for a god with 10 Dominion. This is because 1 level 10 Temple check (sacrifice) is better than 10 level 2 preach checks that have to fight against enemy dominion. In fact, if the enemy dominion is 8 or higher, level 2 priests cannot even lower it.

However, Graeme brings up a valid point. Even though Mictlan has the best potential for utilizing blood sacrifices, the fact that two other nations can make blood sacrifices plus have the normal dominion spread makes it seem less appealing. I'll look into those other nations very soon, actually. What I'll be comparing between these nations is a three-part economy: Blood, Priests and Time.

This thread has turned interesting.

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