Vampires?

Meglobob · #1 October 26th, 2006, 06:14 AM

Have vampires ever been really strong?

I have had no dealings as yet with them in Dom3, but in Dom 2 I had vampire lord takes over a province, random event. A vampire lord + 20 vamps + a horde of undead. Scared the hell out of me, but when I attacked with a army of national troops, playing Machaka at the time, my Black sorcerors, priests and spider mounts wiped them out real easy...

A long way from my AD&D roleplaying days, when we use to abandon the adventure and run away at even the hint of a vampire. 1 level life drain...shudder...

Nerfix · #2 October 26th, 2006, 06:20 AM

Vampires really aren't the problem, Vampire Queens are.

Amos · #3 October 26th, 2006, 07:18 AM

Any idea why ethereality was removed from an already weak creature?

Nerfix · #4 October 26th, 2006, 07:31 AM

Because Vampire Queens fit the Vampire template and ethearility on her was overpowered. Also, she could spawn ethereal life-draining flying monsters much easier than some nations could summon them or counters to them.

I don't mind Vampires getting their Ethereality removed, they however should have made them far less up in the research tree.

WraithLord · #5 October 26th, 2006, 10:40 AM

I like them better with ethereality, and I think VQ could have kept hers as well together with having her cost raised some more.

Nerfix · #6 October 26th, 2006, 10:54 AM

But then people would just take a biiiit more worse scales...

UninspiredName · #7 October 26th, 2006, 11:21 AM

I suppose the main draw for Vampires is that they keep coming back. And, since they can fly, you can just make them attack the rear mages. I do agree, though, they should be one or two levels lower... I really like Lords and Queens, though, but that's possibly because Death and Blood are my two favorite schools of magic. And, if you use Pale Ones like me, you really need fliers.

And yes, Vampires in D&D are really challenging. Our DM once talked of making a city of them as an adventure sight...

Cainehill · #8 October 26th, 2006, 01:10 PM

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WraithLord said:
I like them better with ethereality, and I think VQ could have kept hers as well together with having her cost raised some more.

With the Dom2 patches and CB mod, the VQ didn't seem particularly overpowered or underpriced anymore - one very rarely saw her used in CB games, and yet she was nerfed again, while All Father went back to uber-status.

Nerfix · #9 October 26th, 2006, 01:39 PM

Who exactly uses Allfather? He's not a W/F pretender now is he?