Put some reviews on Amazon plz

[Atrocities]

I understand that the author is the sole programmer, but that does not excuse him for releasing a product that wasn't finished.

It wasn't just his decision. SFI was involved and they knew full well what they were doing. While many people may not agree with what they did, at least they are doing the right thing and using the feed back that they are getting to make the game a better game.

You speak of major bugs.... I am sorry jeku, but what major bugs are you refering to? Most of the bugs that have been reported are minor. IIRC most games that go gold have a patch waiting for them when they hit store shelves to addres a host of minor and a few major bugs that cropped up after the demo release. That is exactly what was done here.

I speculate that SFI and Malfador needed more feedback about the game so they opted to release it sooner rather than later with the hopes that the community would step, as they have indeed done, and report all the bugs they have found. This kind of tactic, albeit negative in the short run, will generate a lot of negative feed back but altimately will produce a far better game.

Please list the major bugs that you are refering to. If they are indeed game killers then they MUST be addressed asap.

[Fyron]

Do you have any proof that SFI forced Aaron to release? I ask because every single game he has made has been released rather buggy... SE4, SF, DO, probably even SE3...

[Mephisto]

Atrocities said:
You speak of major bugs.... I am sorry jeku, but what major bugs are you refering to?

Please, Atrocities, don't be hostile. There are plenty of issues - that is plain obvious - and people could argue with good arguments that some of them are major.

[frightlever]

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[Fyron]

Yeah... answering lots of se5 modding questions; agreeing with a lot of complaints and posting many of my own; telling people to email them to MM to make sure they are read; working on a little solar system mod (that Kwok incorporated into his balance mod); actively beta testing the game for a year and a half; that whole Wiki thing... These are all prime examples of having nothing to contribute and dickery, right?

[AgentZero]

Mephisto said:

Please, Atrocities, don't be hostile. There are plenty of issues - that is plain obvious - and people could argue with good arguments that some of them are major.

I don't think he was being hostile, I think he was just asking for clarification. Not in the most subtle fashion, but subltey has never been AT's forte. (not that that's a bad thing)

frightlever said:
"Please, Atrocities, don't be hostile. There are plenty of issues - that is plain obvious - and people could argue with good arguments that some of them are major. "

This is why I hardly come here anymore. With my old account I was on here pretty much daily but this account is only a year and a few months more old. Atrocities and Fyron between them are being complete dicks to the SE cause.

If someone comes to the forum with a grievance you can either:

address and improve the product, or:

ignore it and alienate the potential sale.

Between them Atrocities and Fyron represent the old school modding elite. They've produced some great mods for SEIV and can I now just say Eff Off. Based on your forum posts you've nothing to contribute to SE5. If you want to dick about with the new users that SFI has bamboozled into the game then fair enough. If you're trying to build on your empire then, I believe the phrase is..., ... crickets chirpings...

When you have a clue about why SE5 will be the last SE game from Malfador, then you can have an opinion.

Huh? I don't get it. Every response I've seen from Atrocities or Fyron (or from the vast majority of those on this forum) has boiled down to either, "That's a problem alright, you should report it to MM," or "That's been a problem for a while now, so until it's fixed, here's how to work around it." Which would seem to fall into your first category of "address and improve the product", yet you dumped Fyron & AT into the second category. I'm lost, to be honest with you. Maybe a diagram or something might help?

There seems to be a number of people on this forum who seem to believe in some sort of conspieracy against those who don't like SE5, simply because (from what I can tell), most of us aren't interested in creating threads pointlessly slagging SE5, but rather encouraging people to contact MM, providing workarounds, and urging people to be patient, given Aaron's track record of patching the crap out of his games.

Yes, SE5 was probably released a little to early, yes there are a lot of bugs, and yes it's not the most polished game ever released. We know that. Griping about it endlessly isn't going to help. Sending in bug reports & suggestions, which is all I've ever seen Fryon & Atrocities suggest, will lead to SE5 being a game we're all still playing 6 years down the road.

That being said, if you could provide links to posts I may have missed where Fyron & Atrocities are being unhelpful elitest snobs, then maybe I'll have to rethink my position.

[Combat Wombat]

Now its true almost everyone hates Fyron but that is what the FHC(Fyron Hater's Club) meetings are for we don't talk about such things here.






j/k We love Fyron





help hes got a gun to my head and hes making me type things

[Hugh Manatee]

Meh, fyron gets a little abrasive on occasion and atrocities seems bipolar, but both are all around good eggs.....

I too would like to know what game breaking uber bugs were there that made the game a so called "totally unblayabe alpha version". Because with the work aounds for the few fleet glitches, and avoiding breaking the thing on purpose I played and enjoyed for hours on end. Most of what was going wrong seems to be due to hardware specific issues(which malfador can't really fix without reports from several hundred machines), that or the problem is between the keyboard and the chair(some of the hothead posts I read seemed to come from plaers without enough patients to sit through a commercial on tv...)

[Yimboli]

AgentZero said:
I'm lost, to be honest with you. Maybe a diagram or something might help?

I'd like a diagram also please. Thanks!

Cheers!

EDIT: oops on the double post. didn't see page 3.

[President_Elect_Shang]

frightlever said:
This is why I hardly come here anymore. With my old account I was on here pretty much daily but this account is only a year and a few months more old. Atrocities and Fyron between them are being complete dicks to the SE cause.

Hold on there you are way out of line! True enough the game has issues but going on the attack against members will not get your point across. It is true that Atrocities and Imperator Fyron can be a bit obstinate at times, indeed I have had a run in or two with Imperator Fyron; however, saying that they are being dicks? You are trying to make me laugh right? Both of them have contributed in ways you can’t imagine. Do you really think they base treatment of others on forum posts made?

When I joined the community was very open and everyone expressed their opinion. Then the community changed and all I could read in every thread was pointless arguing. Now I see the forum returning to the days I loved. I was so angry at two points I left saying I would “never return”. My point is I have been here for a long time and seen this place and some members change; however, Atrocities and Imperator Fyron have always stuck to their guns. You knew from day to day who they were and how they would treat you. Your accusations are utterly unjustified and undeserved.