SE5 gets some... "recognition"

[Atrocities]

DingBat I will bet money that you never even bought the game.


Edit:
I posted something that I would not normally have posted because I became angry at the comments of another poster. I had no call to call that poster ignorate or otherwise.

[DingBat]

Er, wow. Such hostility. Nice.

I suppose it's not that surprising that a guy with 13k posts on a forum is going to be a fanboi, but you might want to consider toning it down, just a tad.

I've purchased plenty of games lately that have worked quite well out of the box. I write software for a living and have actually witnessed releases that are virtually defect free. You clearly have no experience in this area. But that's not the point.

But, here are a couple of interesting points:

1. What does the record of other developers who release shoddy games have to do with MM? Why do you even compare them?

2. Why do you feel compelled to defend MM in the first place? How would you have suffered if the release of SEV had been postponed until it was more stable? Your supposition that releasing it early has been a good thing because it flushes out bug reports is truly bizarre. What are beta testers for?

3. I've seen many product releases in my day. Releasing a product too soon, in an unstable condition, is almost never a good idea. It's hard to measure the impact on customers, which is why a lot of companies do it, but it does affect future sales and it is difficult to fix.

4. You seem to feel that pointing out these things is akin to an attack on the game and the developer. Not true. People don't raise issues with games they don't care about. They raise issues with games they want to play. SEV is that game, but right now, it's broken for me. Again, I'm not exactly sure why you've appointed yourself defender of the faith here. I'm sure the developer is a big boy and can defend himself.

5. Your comments on "dilibrate" ignorance and a kick ban policy are truly stunning. How old are you?

Look, there's a simple way never to have to hear anything negative about a game you like:

a. Encourage the developer to release the game in good condition.
b. Don't read game forums.

Otherwise, you're out of luck. Who's being clueless now. Perhaps you can kick ban yourself.

Have a nice day.

[Atrocities]

I was out of line with my previous post. I had not right to attack his opinion. I have removed the post and offer an apology. My hostility was a gut knee jerk response and not one that I am proud of.

DingBat said:

Er, wow. Such hostility. Nice.

I suppose it's not that surprising that a guy with 13k posts on a forum is going to be a fanboi, but you might want to consider toning it down, just a tad.

I've purchased plenty of games lately that have worked quite well out of the box. I write software for a living and have actually witnessed releases that are virtually defect free. You clearly have no experience in this area. But that's not the point.

But, here are a couple of interesting points:

1. What does the record of other developers who release shoddy games have to do with MM? Why do you even compare them?

2. Why do you feel compelled to defend MM in the first place? How would you have suffered if the release of SEV had been postponed until it was more stable? Your supposition that releasing it early has been a good thing because it flushes out bug reports is truly bizarre. What are beta testers for?

3. I've seen many product releases in my day. Releasing a product too soon, in an unstable condition, is almost never a good idea. It's hard to measure the impact on customers, which is why a lot of companies do it, but it does affect future sales and it is difficult to fix.

4. You seem to feel that pointing out these things is akin to an attack on the game and the developer. Not true. People don't raise issues with games they don't care about. They raise issues with games they want to play. SEV is that game, but right now, it's broken for me. Again, I'm not exactly sure why you've appointed yourself defender of the faith here. I'm sure the developer is a big boy and can defend himself.

5. Your comments on "dilibrate" ignorance and a kick ban policy are truly stunning. How old are you?

Look, there's a simple way never to have to hear anything negative about a game you like:

a. Encourage the developer to release the game in good condition.
b. Don't read game forums.

Otherwise, you're out of luck. Who's being clueless now. Perhaps you can kick ban yourself.

Have a nice day.

I am going to stand by my comment that I believe that you never bought the game. And I don't want to be baited into a debate over our differing points of view.

However you do ask some good questions and do promote one to think a bit, never the less, I have already acted rudely enough for one day and don't want to repeat that behavior. So while your questions are valid, I don't want to address them today. Again I was out of line with my post and do apologize for my rudeness.

[DingBat]

I don't really enjoy being called a thief, but I agree we should both step back a bit. If you're interested, I've attached a screen shot of my steam console.

But I do accept your apology.

[Atrocities]

Well there go, making a jerk out of me in classic style. It was not my intention to make you think I was calling you a thief. I have just become very warry of people who post comments about the game. A significant number of them have only played the beta or haven't played the game at all and I am sorry to say that I wrongfully grouped you with them.

Like I said, your comments were valid and I had no reason to spout off like I did. I am the jerk here not you. Please accept my sincere apology. If you don't I will understand.

[Caduceus]

We'll set up the spanking machine for Atrocities later.

We're all a bit miffed and puzzled as to why SE:V was released in the condition that it was. But, on the upside, several patches later, many things have been fixed.

[Demorve]

I have a question I would like to ask, but before I do I want to make it known that I haven't bought the game yet because it hasn't arrived at any stores where I live and I will not buy it using steam and I already have Starfury so I won't be buying it from Strategy First.

I have read a lot of people trying to justify SEV being released in an unfinished state by saying that SEIV was released in a similar state (at least that's my take on it). My question is if both games were released with a lot of bugs then why did SEIV generally produce higher review ratings than what SEV did? Example Gamespot gave SEIV an 81 and only gave SEV a 66. I think there might be something wrong with SEV that goes beyond the bugs and bad UI, I could be wrong and people are less tolerant of bugs than they were 6 years ago.

I will eventually purchase the game when it reaches the stores in my area knowing that there are a lot of dedicated and talented people creating mods and fixes for this game.

[frightlever]

DingBat said:
If you're interested, I've attached a screen shot of my steam console.

Good call on Defcon.


As for my rent-a-shill comments - I stand by them. Who posts a review virtually on release day saying SE5 is the best game ever? Who defends a comment like that?

And I'm still here because I'm a longtime fan of Space Empires that considers SE5 unplayable and I'll probably stick around here responding to the stupidity I witness until the game gets fixed enough that I can eff off and play it. So yeah, there's an incentive to fix the bugs.

And I still see nothing but apologist propaganda from Atrocities and Fyron. Hey, fair enough maybe the multiplayer doesn't suffer from the same problems the SP does. Then yesterday I popped into a thread proposing workarounds for the broken multiplayer. And there's an (almost?) empty SE5 opponents seeking opponents sub-forum which is a testimony to that end of the game in itself.

And I don't care if Aaron is a club-footed orphan coding in braille - the transaction is simple. I give him money, he gives me a game. If this is a hobby for him then stick the project on sourceforge and let the community fix it. If he's trying to make a living, just like the rest of us, then don't do shoddy work.

EDIT: I mean really some people seem to forget that you can go into EB and pick this product up off the shelves (in the far unlit corner of the store furthest from the door, with the rest of the PC games) take it to the counter and pay for it. When you get it home are you going to be reassured that it'll get fixed in time if you've no knowledge of the previous games or are you going to throw it in the pile of games you wished you'd waited for a review for. And that's besides the point that one of those metacritic reviews (a site I only ever visited because it's used to rate the games on Steam - check out the Steampowered forums to see what I mean about truly uninformed opinions of the game! They're not kind.)is in the 80s, bizarrely.

Who's even struggling on with 1.13? I can hack the combat time limit, ignore the broken boarding and put up with the UI (which I AM actually getting used to. That's not even much of a concern for me now - the TZN? tiny flag mod helps a lot.) but am I playing a fun game? No.

[Combat Wombat]

Holy [censored] I am so tired of people. Yes SE5 was released in a bad condition. Currently I don't play the game outside of modding so I am ready for the day SE5 is playalbe for me.

Please shut up, we know SE5 was released in a crap condition. No one made you buy it the way it is, you could have waited for patches. Don't tell me you didn't think the game would be like it is after the demo. If you bought the game without playing the demo or reading reviews you are a moron. It was quite clear SE5 would be a bugfest on release. Please stop turning threads into these complaining sessions.

'nuff said

[Xrati]

Ahhhhh! Sometimes people just need to "vent!" If it helps them move on, then let it be and enjoy the reading!!!