Bladewind/Gift of Heaven/Falling Frost questions

Endoperez · #1 December 18th, 2006, 08:44 AM

Re: Bladewind - I don't know. See the "Forum and manual interaction" thread.

Re: Mistform - I don't know, but if any creature with less than 25 hp has ever lost Mistform while fighting against normal units, it can't be 25 hp.

Corwin · #2 December 18th, 2006, 08:50 AM

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Endoperez said:
Re: Bladewind - I don't know. See the "Forum and manual interaction" thread.

Link pls?

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Re: Mistform - I don't know, but if any creature with less than 25 hp has ever lost Mistform while fighting against normal units, it can't be 25 hp.

Actualy it can, since manual also said that mistform has 1% chance per turn of dispelling by itself.

OK, so 2 of my question remains -

1.Does anybody knows if Arrow Fend spell protects against Bladewind? (80% protection due to "air shield" effect I mean)

2. Is manual wrong about "Mistform", where it says that to dispel it damage from a single blow must be higher than 25HP, rather than higher than 25 % of target's HPs?

calmon · #3 December 18th, 2006, 09:24 AM

1. In my test the mage didn't cast a scripted Arrow Fend. Maybe because there are no attacking archers, only the bladewind casters. So i think it doesn't work. In my oppinion it should work. There should be an active counter vs. bladewind, the counter shouldn't be just a good protection.

Agrajag · #4 December 18th, 2006, 10:04 AM

Well, there are protection boosting spells.

Twan · #5 December 18th, 2006, 10:07 AM

Bladewind also cost 80 fatigue, so except if a pretender / very powerful mage cast it any spell increasing fatigue may be seen as a counter.

Agrajag · #6 December 18th, 2006, 02:04 PM

Well, you probably won't be able to stop the first Bladewind no matter how hard you try, so I wouldn't consider that much of a counter.
Unless you are spamming so many spells that no army could survive anyway :X

Corwin · #7 December 18th, 2006, 05:06 PM

You can survive bladewinds by creative scripting, using decoyes and the fact that bladewind is not a long range spell. Once I've managed to get my small group of w5Es in front of 10 Vanheim's Dwarfs with earth boots and earth gems. My W5Es have dodged 19 out of 20 bladewinds castings (the one that hit was still painful though - prot 9 is not nearly enough vs bladewind).

Cainehill · #8 December 18th, 2006, 02:08 PM

And, bladewind is already a fairly pathetic spell that's been nerfed in Dom3, since it _used_ to be fairly effective against all those ethereal, 0 protection hordes.

In any case, it certainly isn't arrows, so arrow fend and the like shouldn't have any effect on it. It's not "Arrow Wind" or "Arrow Storm", after all.

Endoperez · #9 December 18th, 2006, 02:15 PM

Blade Wind has been dealing mundane damage for a long time. It's the number of effects that enables it to hurt ethereal units, not the fact that it's a spell.

Corwin · #10 December 18th, 2006, 04:57 PM

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calmon said:
1. In my test the mage didn't cast a scripted Arrow Fend. Maybe because there are no attacking archers, only the bladewind casters. So i think it doesn't work. In my oppinion it should work. There should be an active counter vs. bladewind, the counter shouldn't be just a good protection.

Or maybe the attacking force was not large enough? Arrows Fend costs gems after all, mages may decide to conserve them.

I wonder is somebody could try casting Arrowfend spell while under attack by bladewinds/archers, and let me know the results? (I am away from my Dom computer until tommorow)

As for "arrows" - true, bladewinds is not made from arrows. But "air shield" description said it blocks any "missiles", not just arrows. And based upon what Endo said, Bladewind seems to be a storm of mundane missiles.